[Magnetism]

The clitoris is naturally stimulated during PIV sex without being touched directly.

This isn't the case for me. My clitoris is tiny and far away from my vaginal opening.

I've noticed that some men assume that the lower part of my vagina is my clitoris. It's not. I have to remind a man where it is and where to keep his fingers/his tongue.

Little-in-the-boat-I'm a huge fan of carressing, but I haven't had a lot of that with previous partners. When I tell someone what I want, it's not like they're always going to do it. A man may think in his head "This is what women like." What you described is ideal. I would rather start off with having my neck kissed or my back rubbed before moving on to the breasts and the vagina. A man going straight for my breasts or vagina can be a bit alarming.

[ItsASecret]

Can anyone explain or describe what penetration is supposed to feel like?

There really is not a description other than "it feels like penetration". The vagina itself has very few nerve endings so technically speaking there should not be much feeling to begin with. If you are well lubricated it can get to a point when there is so much that it just slip and slides all over lol, add too much friction and it can be painful. The feelings during penetration are mostly "created" because the woman is experiencing an overall sense of pleasure, the feeling of skin to skin contact, the emotions of being close, the arousal of actually having sex and doing things so when there is the added fact of penetration even though it is only a small amount of actual physical pleasure going on (because of the lack of nerves) that little bit is enough to feel good like other women have described. The movement in and out is not a definitive orgasm inducer, it is all the extra feelings that make a woman feel the way she does during sex. Keep in mind too that orgasms from penetration alone, no clitoral stimulation at all with your fingers, is very rare in a woman...something like less than 20% can orgasm that way the last time I checked. Nearly all women need to be rubbing their clitoris at the same time that penetration occurs or else they say it does feel like nothing. There is nothing wrong with rubbing during penetration either.

This isn't the case for me. My clitoris is tiny and far away from my vaginal opening.

There is clitoral nerves down by the vagina, basically it is shaped like a wishbone with the top being the most concentrated area of nerves (the actual visible clitoris) and the "wishbone" ends are under the skin and go down to the vagina...less nerves there but still sensitive. Having those wishbone ends of the clitoral nerves stimulated happens simply because there is skin contact, that pressure against the vulva in general stimulates those wishbone ends of the clitoral nerves. That adds to the overall sensation without a woman really knowing it.

[Stillness]

Since women masturbate less (due to societal influences), that is why women are often encouraged to mastrubat...Its not that men are discouraged to masturbate. Its only for men who masturbate so much that they cannot orgasm from vaginal sex.

How much is less? I just saw a study saying that 92% masturbate and 2/3 do it multiple times per week. I can't help but to wonder if a lot of the issues are from this. A penis can't stimulate a clitoris like one's own finger or a vibrator anymore than a vagina can grip a penis like a hand. But sex does stimulate the clitoris. Magnetism says she's been masterbating by stimulating her clitoris since age 12. Why wouldn't she be advised to stop or ease off if she wants to experience orgasm from a penis?

I don't pretend to understand female sexuality and my experience with ease bringing women to climax is very anecdotal, but it just seems to make sense to me. Another point of interest is that my guess is that like me when I did masturbate, most men don't regularly directly stimulate their glans even if they do sometimes. So even though most men do masturbate at some point it doesn't really compete with the vagina, even though the hand can outgrip it. I've also noticed that when my wife stimulates my glans directly during foreplay I often last longer during PIV sex. This had always been counterintuitive until this moment because it excites me so much that I always think I'm going to explode when I enter. I had wondered if it was making me excercise my PC muscles. Now I'm thinking that it's the fact that the vagina can't match the level of sensual intensity, even though the climax is more fulfilling in the vagina.

I really don't think that men and women are that different. If I were a betting man, I'd put money on women laying off masturbation enjoying sex more. I wish there was a study on it.

[ItsASecret]

How much is less? I just saw a study saying that 92% masturbate and 2/3 do it multiple times per week.

92% is very very high, for men I would the high 90's but women I really do not think so. I would put it at about 60-70% do it regularly if they admit to it at all. If the question was "have you ever masturbated" then I believe the number would be in the 90's but as a regular thing I really do not think so. A lot of those "studies" come from replies to magazines, ones that may be geared towards sex and hence have responses from women who are more involved with their sex life and may masturbate more hence giving higher numbers. Things like that really cannot be taken as an example of the whole.

Why wouldn't she be advised to stop or ease off if she wants to experience orgasm from a penis?

Because she is dealing with biology. The hard fact is that the vagina does not have the nerves like the clitoris does and as a result will not respond in the manner that is akin to clitoral stimulation. It is just not there so a woman often needs to use clitoral stimulation in order to feel that sexual pleasure. There is no sense in stopping the pleasure that a woman receives if it is from clitoral stimulation in the hops that maybe if you try hard enough a woman may experience a vaginal only orgasm.

[Stillness]

There is no sense in stopping the pleasure that a woman receives if it is from clitoral stimulation in the hops that maybe if you try hard enough a woman may experience a vaginal only orgasm.

If she's frustrated that she can't achieve something which is a biological possibility and for a lot of people a normal and pleasurable reality, then I would say it makes a lot of sense.

I don't see the point in stating that the clitoris has more nerves than the vagina. As you and I both stated, the clitoris is stimulated during sex. It stands to reason that just like some men can become desensitized from masturbation, some women can too.

[Magnetism]

Is there any data to suggest just how many women have vaginas that don't have as many nerves? Is it most women, all or just some?

[DreamP346]

If she's frustrated that she can't achieve something which is a biological possibility and for a lot of people a normal and pleasurable reality, then I would say it makes a lot of sense.

G-spot orgasm is not a biological possibility for all women. Not all women can experience them and even those who do, often the g-orgasm is not as intense/pleasurable as the clitoral O. Clitoral and G-spot orgasms are two different events. Preventing one will not kick-start the other. Therefore stopping a woman from masturbating and reaching clitoral orgasm will not teach her to have a g-orgasm.

I don't see the point in stating that the clitoris has more nerves than the vagina. As you and I both stated, the clitoris is stimulated during sex. It stands to reason that just like some men can become desensitized from masturbation, some women can too.

Each woman's physiology is different. Just because there are nerves all along the vulva, does not mean all women will feel sensations there. It also depends on the position and skills of the man. The clitoral nervers may get stimulated, but it may not be enough to reach orgasm.

[DreamP346]

How much is less? I just saw a study saying that 92% masturbate and 2/3 do it multiple times per week. I can't help but to wonder if a lot of the issues are from this.

According to research performed by Das, only 38% of women compared to 61% of men masturbation in the US. This is research published in a peer reviewed, academically recognized journal.

Das, A. (2007). Masturbation in the United States. Journal of Sex & Marital Therapy, 33(4), 301-317. doi:10.1080/00926230701385514

[ItsASecret]

I don't see the point in stating that the clitoris has more nerves than the vagina.

....the reason is, again, biology. The vagina lacks as many nerves because of childbirth. If there were more nerves and more sensitivity childbirth would be incredibly more painful than what it already is. That is why there are less nerves and why the clitoris, which has only one function of pleasure, is more used during sex. Women are just not as capable of vaginal only orgasms because of the cards they were dealt with on a biology standpoint, there are certainly some women who can with the added mental stimulation and arousal but the number of women who can orgasm through that method and that method alone with zero clitoral stimulation through additional rubbing is far far less than what people may believe. The clitoris can be stimulated during sex though, if a man pushes his pelvis a bit onto the clitoris making physical skin to skin contact with the clitoris...if he does not then the only thing left are the under the skin nerves that are not as reactive when stimulated compared to pressing against the actual visible clitoris. Basing the possibility of a vaginal only orgasm on anecdotes is okay as long as there is the realization that everyone is different and it may not work for some people.

[ItsASecret]

Is there any data to suggest just how many women have vaginas that don't have as many nerves? Is it most women, all or just some?

All. The difference is in how many women respond physiologically to the G-spot which is basically the only reason a woman can have a vaginal only orgasm. But not all women respond to that even if they find the spot. Then there is also a spot called the A-spot deeper inside the vagina which some claim is another mystical orgasm spot like the G-spot but yet again not all women can experience pleasure from it. All-in-all do not feel you are lacking something just because you may not orgasm from a vaginal only orgasm, a high majority percentage of women cannot so do not feel like you must be in the group that do simply because they can. Individuality is the forefront of sex, what works for one may not work for another so use what you do know works and enjoy that.