[lizzardb63]

This is something I wonder about too. Most people claim not to be good with math, but they seem to know the exact length of their own or their partner's penis. Really, do people measure their partners? I find that weird. Do they also measure their finger length and other parts of their body? I can see a person measuring their own penis, but not their partners. Also, do you measure from the inside or outside, because that leads to different outcomes. I've read that in Europe they measure from the inside compared to in the US where men seem to measure from the outside. That is why in general, penis sizes appear larger in the US.

I'm not sure if this is just an American thing since we seem to be obsessed with size here. Bigger is assumed to be better. Bigger car, bigger house, bigger boat, etc.

Any time anybody gives me a length, I always take 1-2 inches off because I assume it to be exaggerated.

Well..... lol. We were just joking around one day about his size and I said, fine I'll measure it, so yes I took a 12" ruler and measured it from the inside (top part) to the end. It's not like I was like "come here...let me measure your penis!"... I don't know...we were young, what do you expect?! lol :P

[Obelisk]

If your wife/girlfriend was insecure about having small boobs what would you say to her? Probably "I love you just how you are" which, if you really do love her then you wouldn't want to change her. She will feel the same way about you and your size.

Love doesn't really fit the equation though. Love is a system that allows us to accept others despite their flaws. So, in what I consider to be a "primal" instinct, love has nothing to do with it.

So I believe it's unfair for women to come in and say "size doesn't matter" because what you really mean is "Even if you're smaller than I'd like, my love for you forgives that". If we take "love" out of the equation, the answer we get is the one that actually gets us somewhere.

Now I do believe for women, that answer will vary greatly. If you're a larger woman with bigger hips, it's likely that a penis in the 9" range will fit well.

If you're a tiny woman, probably anything bigger than 6" will start to hurt.

So when a woman says that bigger than 6" or 7" starts hurting, I believe it. She may have a really small vaginal canal.

But a woman used to 9"+ going to a guy who's 4", no way you can make me believe that size difference is not going to affect you.

In my personal case, I don't really worry about my size as much as finding a woman who is smaller also, so we can fit better.

But in a general sense, women who have been with large men that then say size doesn't matter, is exactly like a really buff bodybuilder guy who gets insane female attention, to tell a little guy who's never lifted in his life "It's not my muscles man, it's my confidence". Everyone knows that's a lie. Confidence does matter, but it al works together.

Would you prefer a confident man who has a huge pot belly? Or a confident man who is toned and fit with a flat stomach and washboard abs?

Would you prefer a fit guy who is short? or one who is tall?

Would you prefer a tall fit guy with confidence and a 4" penis, or a tall fit confident guy with an 8" penis?

I'm just sick of women lying because they think they are protecting a man's ego. I would rather know if my partner is not happy with my size than have her pretend she is.

[CHANDLERS WISH]

I'm just sick of women lying because they think they are protecting a man's ego. I would rather know if my partner is not happy with my size than have her pretend she is.

Let me ask you a question. So, if you feel she is lying, then she had to answer a question and consequently a question had to be asked... So why ask the question?

I would say there are a lot of "people" that will "white lie" to protect someone's feelings not ego.. But, then, like I said. Why assume that we as women all of us, are used to a size, won't adapt to smaller, larger, we are actually built to adapt full stop either way, nothing to do with our size, weight. Then, certainly there are some women that do have problems, are smaller and can't accommodate.

There are body problems with everyone in life...

If the man did not pose the question the woman would not have to answer... It's called in-security and I've found so many men are like that no matter what their size, they all seem to think it's not big enough....unless they actually have something un-usually large, then they have an ego and treat women like "next".....

[DreamP346]

Love doesn't really fit the equation though. Love is a system that allows us to accept others despite their flaws. So, in what I consider to be a "primal" instinct, love has nothing to do with it.

So I believe it's unfair for women to come in and say "size doesn't matter" because what you really mean is "Even if you're smaller than I'd like, my love for you forgives that". If we take "love" out of the equation, the answer we get is the one that actually gets us somewhere.

Now I do believe for women, that answer will vary greatly. If you're a larger woman with bigger hips, it's likely that a penis in the 9" range will fit well.

If you're a tiny woman, probably anything bigger than 6" will start to hurt.

So when a woman says that bigger than 6" or 7" starts hurting, I believe it. She may have a really small vaginal canal.

But a woman used to 9"+ going to a guy who's 4", no way you can make me believe that size difference is not going to affect you.

In my personal case, I don't really worry about my size as much as finding a woman who is smaller also, so we can fit better.

But in a general sense, women who have been with large men that then say size doesn't matter, is exactly like a really buff bodybuilder guy who gets insane female attention, to tell a little guy who's never lifted in his life "It's not my muscles man, it's my confidence". Everyone knows that's a lie. Confidence does matter, but it al works together.

Would you prefer a confident man who has a huge pot belly? Or a confident man who is toned and fit with a flat stomach and washboard abs?

Would you prefer a fit guy who is short? or one who is tall?

Would you prefer a tall fit guy with confidence and a 4" penis, or a tall fit confident guy with an 8" penis?

I'm just sick of women lying because they think they are protecting a man's ego. I would rather know if my partner is not happy with my size than have her pretend she is.

Obelisk, you make a lot of generalizations about what women really want even though you are not a woman. So unless you are a scholar of women's desires and lying behavior, I think it is very presumptuous of you to generalize that all women who have had/have partners with larger penis still want it. Each person is an individual and each likes what they like. There are plenty of women who openly admit they prefer larger men and plenty who say size doesn't matter, yet still make judgement based on a man's size. However, there are plenty of women who don't care and plenty who want a smaller penis. Past experience does not dictate desire. Its like saying anybody who has eaten McDonalds will always want McDonalds and won't truly be satisfied with Burger King and if they claim that both fastfood chains are the same, its a lie. Do you see how ridiculous that sounds.

You need to stop generalizing.

You present various scenarios, but you never mention technique. If you ask a woman, what would you prefer, a larger penis or a generous lover, I'm pretty sure what most women would pick. If a man is a good lover, the size really doesn't matter. Its like asking would you prefer a rich man with a Harvard degree or a rich man with a Princeton degree. Its the "rich" that matters.

[rcoreyus]

One last try. Go to a website that sells sex toys for women, (goovibrations for example). You will find that the majority of toys that they sell are about human average in size. They are in business to make money so they are selling what women want. Yes there are some huge toys and some tiny ones, but for most women, typical human size is what feels best. (sort of makes sense if you think about it).

If you go to a gay sex shop you will find a lot of huge to ridiculous toys. If you go to a lesbian sex shop you will find mostly small to modest sized toys. In general men care about size a lot more than women do, probably some sort of masculine dominance thing.

[Stillness]

If you go to a gay sex shop you will find a lot of huge to ridiculous toys.

Wait a second...So you're saying that obsession with big penises is related more to homosexuality than wanting to please your woman??? That's some deep stuff, bro.

[lizzardb63]

Love doesn't really fit the equation though. Love is a system that allows us to accept others despite their flaws. So, in what I consider to be a "primal" instinct, love has nothing to do with it.

So I believe it's unfair for women to come in and say "size doesn't matter" because what you really mean is "Even if you're smaller than I'd like, my love for you forgives that". If we take "love" out of the equation, the answer we get is the one that actually gets us somewhere.

Now I do believe for women, that answer will vary greatly. If you're a larger woman with bigger hips, it's likely that a penis in the 9" range will fit well.

If you're a tiny woman, probably anything bigger than 6" will start to hurt.

So when a woman says that bigger than 6" or 7" starts hurting, I believe it. She may have a really small vaginal canal.

But a woman used to 9"+ going to a guy who's 4", no way you can make me believe that size difference is not going to affect you.

In my personal case, I don't really worry about my size as much as finding a woman who is smaller also, so we can fit better.

But in a general sense, women who have been with large men that then say size doesn't matter, is exactly like a really buff bodybuilder guy who gets insane female attention, to tell a little guy who's never lifted in his life "It's not my muscles man, it's my confidence". Everyone knows that's a lie. Confidence does matter, but it al works together.

Would you prefer a confident man who has a huge pot belly? Or a confident man who is toned and fit with a flat stomach and washboard abs?

Would you prefer a fit guy who is short? or one who is tall?

Would you prefer a tall fit guy with confidence and a 4" penis, or a tall fit confident guy with an 8" penis?

I'm just sick of women lying because they think they are protecting a man's ego. I would rather know if my partner is not happy with my size than have her pretend she is.

Well, believe it or not, not all women are that vain. And just for the record, just because a woman has big hips doesn't mean she can take a larger penis size compared to someone who is skinnier. Really? So the anatomy of our insides change just because the outside is different? Give me a break! You're starting to sound pretty uneducated at this point and the more you say you're fine with your size the more I think you're not.

If someone says something about their man having a large penis and that fact that the size isn't what makes the sex good, you jump all over that, which makes me think it's a big case of insecurity. I am telling you, I've had smaller in the past, and it didn't make ANY difference in the sex...at all...it's 100% the connection, BUt if you don't want to take that at face value, then so be it.

[caster]

Most every man wishes he was just a tad bit bigger, and I'd wager most women with a man that's 4-5" thinks the same way.
She may not love him less or dislike the sex, but just like the guy "wishes" it were a little bigger.
Nothing wrong with that, most people would change something about their SO if they could.

[Obelisk]

You're starting to sound pretty uneducated at this point and the more you say you're fine with your size the more I think you're not.

I never said I was fine with my size. What I've said is that I try not to stress about it too much because it's not much I can do to change it. However, I am trying, as you can tell by my posts where I talk about Penile Extension, and how I'm going to give it a shot to see how much I can gain. I would be perfectly happy at 7" and that's my goal.

What you haven't been able to understand is this:

Most every man wishes he was just a tad bit bigger, and I'd wager most women with a man that's 4-5" thinks the same way.
She may not love him less or dislike the sex, but just like the guy "wishes" it were a little bigger.
Nothing wrong with that, most people would change something about their SO if they could.

There you have it. This is exactly what I believe. Again "love" has nothing to do with it. "Love" is capable of us "loving" someone with a huge deformity or something, because it works on an emotional level, not a physical one.

All I want you to admit, is that if you were to go from a 9 1'2" penis to a 4" penis, that you would be dissapointed. That's it. That's all I want to hear.

You can "love" that man 'till the cows come home, just like you "loved" the previous man, but at that size difference I will never believe that you will say "meh, it's the same thing". Can you accommodate to it? Sure. Can you mentally get used to it? Sure. If the guy uses it well can you enjoy it? Sure.

Will you be disappointed the first time you see it? I'd easily bet that yes, you would be disappointed. That's all I want you to admit.

[caster]

I wouldn't automatically say a woman would be dissapointed, if she's been with baseball bat Bill, she may actually be intriqued to see what little Willy feels like and can do.
Then she might be dissapointed, or she might go OMG, that's much better than being impaled by a telephone pole.