[somerandomguy]

First of all, I would like to apologize for not participating in the discussion over the weekend. Second of all, I would like to thank everybody for their input; I did not expect this thread to reach as many responses as it has.

I tend to agree with Obelisk on the point he makes that women who love you for you are only prone to do so after they have had their share of “sexual adventures” and are finally ready to settle down. It seems as though they are more ready, at that point, to accept a smaller than average penis given that the man also has other things to offer her in the form of positive personality traits (in addition to being able to satisfy her sexually). Which kind of points to the origin of the “Nice Guys Finish Last”-trope.

I do not know how it is for the majority of women, but I would be bummed out if I could not obtain sexual pleasure from intercourse with my partner because she was too loose. Before you call me superficial, please read my train of thought below (on the below you may correct me if I am wrong):

Maybe it is because women reach more intense orgasms when their clitoris is stimulated compared with only intercourse. Maybe it is because 80% of women have trouble reaching vaginal orgasms by means of only intercourse on a regular basis. But, I think that these reasons may be part of the reason why women put less weight on the importance of intercourse and, by extension, the size of a man’s penis.

I do not think there is any man out there whose woman is only able to bring him to orgasm by means of oral and handjobs/fleshlights. I think intercourse is a very big part of what gets a man to climax. I at least have never neither heard nor read of men “putting up with” or “settling for” women who are unable to bring them to orgasm through intercourse on the basis that these women had so many other positive aspects to them. Aspects that, by a wide margin, outweighed the lack of intercourse-induced orgasms they failed to provide. Admittedly, it could be the case that these men see themselves as too small and thus unable to please their woman through intercourse, while in reality it is their woman who is too large “down there”.

[Obelisk]

This girl was scared that going from a 9" to a 5" she would not feel it:

https://www.womens-health.com/boards/sex/32740-going-large-guy-small-guy.html

Even if not true, in her mind "bigger" was more pleasurable. The advice tended to be the sort of "teach him how to please you with what he has" which to my ears translates as "show him how to compensate for his physical shortcoming"


This lady's post is an interesting case:

https://www.womens-health.com/boards/sex/34366-getting-pleasure-my-husband.html

She sounds like a very sweet lady. Admits she's been around the block. The poor guy has a micropenis if it's only 2" long and 2" girth. Dear God I feel sorry for him. I'm gigantic compared to that. She sounds like she loves him. I'd tell that guy to suck it up and go the strap-on route.


This guy has decent length, a tad more than me and still gets called out by a girl as being small:

https://www.womens-health.com/boards/sex/59136-help-anxiety.html

His girth is a tad less than me though, although I'm not much bigger. I liked Stillness' typical psychological placebos


Here's a truthful post!

https://www.womens-health.com/boards/sex/57452-i-have-small-problem.html

With Stillness coming in to defend all men (sorry dude don't mean to pick on your specifically, I know you care. that's why you do what you do)

[jns]

Links from other posts on www dot womens-health dot com are OK.

[Obelisk]

Am I allowed to post threads from this same board on to this thread?

I've found some interesting reads on here.

[Obelisk]

Chandler's Wish, I honestly didn't understand a lot of what you just wrote. But I'll reply to what I did in the simplest way possible.

The only women that won't like your size, are the superficial women who are still out there playing, just like you men.

Ignoring the comment about playing around, when you say "superficial" women, what you are really trying to say is "women who realize they have to sacrifice a physical attribute in a man to get the mental attributes they need from him". This would describe a "non superficial woman".

My entire argument is that a woman who has had large men (let's say over 8") would not see a man with only 4" as "exactly the same". There will ALWAYS be some dissapointment factor. You might get used to it because the man might have other attributes like the so sought after "personality" that you are willing to deal with it. Some women can do it better than others.

The only way I can see that a woman would not be dissapointed is if her vagina is so genuinely small that she can only take 5-6" tops without major pain. I agree that there are probably circumstances like that. As a general rule, 8-9" will ALWAYS look more impressive than 4-5" and will register to a woman as being automatically being more pleasurable, and any dumb dumb can learn "technique" if the woman is willing to show him and he's willing to learn. So the whole "technique" argument really has no merit. Not all guys with 4" are technique experts (or willing to become one) and not all 9" guys are logs in bed either. Technique means nothing because men of all sizes can achieve it.

Now let's deal with your "playing around comment". I agree that men primarily have been the "playas". I hate them all for having done that. Unfortunately human nature has caused some weird psychological systems to take place. I believe guys who are larger automatically have more confidence, even if the rest of them is not really on par. A dude that is good looking, fit, and financially well off with a larger penis will be able to "play" an incredible amount of women, that all want to turn him into a husband. Unfortunately, the guy think he can experience different women, using them up and ruining it for the other guys.

Women however play the game a bit different. They work on becoming really hot, and go for the hottest guys they can find, a lot with the intention of a relationship. So the dudes who have it all come in and play, and this cycle keeps on going until the woman is in her 30's and still doesn't have a man. At this point, she wants what she should have been working on in her 20's. A lot of "party" girls don't even think like that. They are more in tune with their physical needs, and will seek out the hottest guys they can simply for sex. They believe they can "settle" after they've had fun.


I personally was never like this. I dated off and on throughout my 20's without even ONCE trying to escalate sexually with a girl. I truly believed that I shouldn't do it unless I was 100% sure the girl was the one for me.

I made the mistake of caving in a few years ago and just dating for the fun. I guess I was naive. I never ever bothered asking the first girl I slept with how many guys she had been with, it was probably over 15, and at least a couple were probably huge. She had no interest in anything but how much I was spending on her.

Second girl is starting to turn out the same. It seems that after they've had their fill of large guys, it's time to find the guys willing to fork over the cash to prove their love. Right now this has been my experience. The first girl was really hot, second girl is average. Both primarily think of what I spend on them is what matters. They only get horny when they saw money.

So basically I feel like neither of them had real interest sexually in me, it was simply more about what I was worth.

We have no idea what so ever what's in your pants, when we meet, when the chemistry starts, the conversation flows. If a man pulls his snake out The moment he meets a girl, pending on what the girl was after and how the heck do you know? Then, if she criticises or doesn't come back who's fault is it? Don't you say to us women keep your legs closed initially? I mean I've told my daughters here that for years

Keep your pants on. After a few dates and you can clearly see that she likes "you" outside and in, use everything you have in "lust" and courtship sexually from get go and she'll feel loved and wanted and at the beginning of a relationship.

For the most part you are just HORNY beings and so, in and out and how was that?

Sensuality is one of the biggest turn on's for a woman and sexuality.. Both, showing knowledge, care, control and non-insecurity.

Knowing a woman's body and continuing to get to know "that" woman's body is the art of love making.

When you get it, then you'll get it.

Oh and I'm not speaking about you JNS or Corey or Stillness Though there seems to be one more closer to your side than the other.

The only thing I understood in that clearly was "Knowing a woman's body and continuing to get to know "that" woman's body is the art of love making"

Why should I take the time to do that anymore? I've been with 2 women. Both serious mistakes that I wish I could take back (I rather be a virgin still). Why should I just accept women that have been with a lot of guys, and a bunch of them significantly larger than myself? Why should I accept the patronizing "it's not what you have, it's how you use it?". How am I supposed to take the fact that most women got suckered (or wanted to) just play the field until they were "ready to settle"?

I don't know.

Most women aren't disappointed if they go from a 9 inch to a 5 inch, on the contrary, many of us will say "alleluia"! It's natures cruel joke that she made some penises too big.

I think you'd prefer 7" visually if 9" is too big for you. Everything I have read online seems to point that women will want at least 4" to be able to even consider penetration, and 7" seems to be the sweet spot.

I would rather prefer that a woman doesn't have a memory of all the 7's and 9's she's had before she was with me to compare to. That's a pipe dream now.

So if you can't beat'em? Join'em.

[Brita]

Most women aren't disappointed if they go from a 9 inch to a 5 inch, on the contrary, many of us will say "alleluia"! It's natures cruel joke that she made some penises too big.

[CHANDLERS WISH]

I honestly, never listened. If I did, I would realise the absolute in-security about this issue, with "some" men..

Friends. One, I think used it as a "poor me card" and scored well enough. Even told me he made them orgasm, well the last two.


One, told it as it was, and used prostitutes, however, the girth seemed to make women jump as he entered which made him unique.

These are "male friends". Interestingly, the women they chose were women who were quite superficial, into drugs wanting him to try them, needing their expensive handbags.

Only one of you seem to get the point. The only women that won't like your size, are the superficial women who are still out there playing, just like you men.

We have no idea what so ever what's in your pants, when we meet, when the chemistry starts, the conversation flows. If a man pulls his snake out The moment he meets a girl, pending on what the girl was after and how the heck do you know? Then, if she criticises or doesn't come back who's fault is it? Don't you say to us women keep your legs closed initially? I mean I've told my daughters here that for years

Keep your pants on. After a few dates and you can clearly see that she likes "you" outside and in, use everything you have in "lust" and courtship sexually from get go and she'll feel loved and wanted and at the beginning of a relationship.

For the most part you are just HORNY beings and so, in and out and how was that?

Sensuality is one of the biggest turn on's for a woman and sexuality.. Both, showing knowledge, care, control and non-insecurity.

Knowing a woman's body and continuing to get to know "that" woman's body is the art of love making.

When you get it, then you'll get it.

Oh and I'm not speaking about you JNS or Corey or Stillness Though there seems to be one more closer to your side than the other.

[jns]

So people should repress their base desires simply to conform to some PC norm?

What you mean, Obelisk?

[Obelisk]

SFlare, if you are ever with a girl who calls you small or seems to indicate it otherwise, resolve to never deal with her again unless it was a big misunderstanding. For the most part you cannot change yourself that way. You shouldn't even be pressured to consider it.

So people should repress their base desires simply to conform to some PC norm?

[BambooEarrings]

Your anecdote didn't help. It just cements the idea in my head that it seems every woman has had a 9" penis. Only makes my wish for 7" even stronger, so I won't be pitiful.

Not sure where all these 9" snakes are coming from, they seem to be common

Well, then you have issues and maybe need counseling.
This seems so similar to girls with anorexia who sincerely think they are still fat when they weight like 90lbs .

NO, not every woman has had a 9" penis. I'm 5"7 and most of the men I've dated have been very tall(6'3"-6'7"), which is probably a big part of it.

Anyway, after all that, I said I PREFER average size over large so if that makes you feel worse, I think it's you, not me. Besides that, most women I know feel the same way. But if your goal in life is to get with a woman who has such a gigantic vagina that only 9" penises satisfy her, then gooooood luck.