[Obelisk]

I know I beat the other thread to death already. For me it has nothing to do with finding the right partner that "accepts you for who you are". Even if I find a great girl that cares about me and all that stuff, what if she has enjoyed bigger than me and I can't measure up to that? So she's giving that up because she accepts me for my "other" qualities? I guess I feel like it's a part that I can never offer to the right girl. That feeling really sucks.

[kira]

No one is perfect. You can have great sex with someone who has a big penis and then end up arguing and saying hurtful words constantly. Then you end up hating the relationship and breaking up with them. No woman cares about having the perfect penis if the rest of the relationship is trash. They'll move on. Whereas if the relationship is great and the guy can still create a great sex life (even below average penis size can find ways to do that) then the woman is going to be much happier and stay in the relationship.

[Obelisk]

No one is perfect. You can have great sex with someone who has a big penis and then end up arguing and saying hurtful words constantly. Then you end up hating the relationship and breaking up with them. No woman cares about having the perfect penis if the rest of the relationship is trash. They'll move on. Whereas if the relationship is great and the guy can still create a great sex life (even below average penis size can find ways to do that) then the woman is going to be much happier and stay in the relationship.

That may be the most honest reply I have seen so far.

[CHANDLERS WISH]

Then re-read it Obelisk, but it's factual.

Plus if you sincerely think about it, it also makes perfect sense. We are not sex objects / machines... We are women with emotions and dreams. They far out way anything when it comes to desires... We only want to feel wanted, loved, cared for so you know that side has nothing to do with a penis's size.

[Obelisk]

Then re-read it Obelisk, but it's factual.

Plus if you sincerely think about it, it also makes perfect sense. We are not sex objects / machines... We are women with emotions and dreams. They far out way anything when it comes to desires... We only want to feel wanted, loved, cared for so you know that side has nothing to do with a penis's size.

I know it's true. My problem is I want to be the best at everything. Anything I put my mind to gets done. Height and penis size are the two things I'm powerless to change. I actually bought a pair of platform shoes, can you believe that? 3" height difference and I'm still short

And I know that 9"+ is probably going to be uncomfortable for a lot of women, but to go down to mid 5" is definitely a difference that can be felt IMO, and not in a positive way.

So my only hope is really to find a woman who hasn't had that large (I know there's a few out there, it's statistically impossible for all women to have been with huge guys). And I'm having a bit of success with the penile exercises, but it will probably be a couple of years by the time I can get to 7" unless I luck out somehow.

I've also really considered just not bothering anymore to even find a relationship. For the past 10 years it's been kind of a wash. Maybe I should learn to be happy being single. I know by the time I'm 50 I really won't care anymore, just have to put up with another 15 years to get there.

[Obelisk]

Further Discussion of Penis Size

Just thought I would post this from another penile exercise specific board. There's a lot of women there too, usually the wives of the dudes pulling on their junk lol

I originally asked a question about an exercise I am doing. A woman answered based on her hubby's experiences. I noticed that her husband's original length was 6.5" and now he is 8". His original girth was 4.7" and now it's 6"

So I thought it was a great opportunity to ask her some questions:

I asked:

I'd love to have your hubby's initial size btw, I'm about 5.5" BPEL

7" would be ideal, I'd have no need to get longer than that.

She replied:

Actually 7 to me (IMHO) was the perfect size, so that is an awesome goal. I always just went by feel of the stretch on the ligaments you will feel it specially if you have good lube just don't get over enthusiastic start slow, after a few days you will be able to stretch more and you fill the thug. I help the hubby and I can only go by feel, you will get the hang of it. I promise.

So I replied:

Hmm, you know what's interesting is that your hubby's length was pretty much at 7". How do you find his length now compared to before? Does it actually feel any different to you? There's tons and tons of guys that talk about "hitting the cervix" and something about the "cul de sac" and other stuff like that. Most women that post tend to agree that hitting these things are bad and they hurt. I honestly don't know what to believe anymore.

I know that if I hear a girl has had an 8" or 9" penis, all of a sudden my 5.5" sounds woefully inadequate to do the job lol. I'm hoping if I can eventually get to 7" (even 6.5" would be an improvement) that I won't be so pathetic

Also, my girth is exactly 5" at the base, middle and tip. I noticed your hubby has gone from 4.7" to 6". How are you finding this difference? was it better before? is it better now? Was some number in between there better?

Appreciate any input you have for me

So she replied this:

I don't know what the big deal with the size but I am aware that there are size queen out there. I can give myself pleasure with a 3.5" BPEL and 1" MEG finger so anything above that is a give me. I am 46 years old so for me quality rates over quantity. What I liked about 7" it was a nice length that did not hurt and we could have a quick entrance without lubricating help. I also found it easier to do more sexual positions (we tend to be acrobatic we have a tantra chair in our play room). I had to give up some sexual positions because they can be painful and some that we did not give up feels different and sometimes not in a good way. I have adjusted over the months to the new size but I can tell you when he was 7' sex was easier. That said remember that women are different size internally, yes there is an average but some have more elasticity that others. Hitting the cervix or bottoming out is painful, hitting the cul de sac is pleasurable (I can hit it with my finger though, so you can his a ladies at your size now too).

I actually enjoy the girth gains better than the BPEL gains, I get more enjoyment from the full stroke feeling. Before I felt it but it felt more like it was in a zone at the top, or at the bottom where now I feel it in all the walls. It is a little too tight and we always have to use lube now. my favorite gains are his EQ and Flaccid gains now that is something I absolutely love!!!

I thought that was quite interesting insight. How would the women on this board agree with this?

[Euphoric]

A friend of mine made a comment. She said, "why do men have an obsession with wanting a long, wide penis? Don't they know some girls would rather be tickled than stabbed to death." I agree with kira. While having a partner you are sexually compatible with is important, there are many other things to consider. Personally, I don't know any one who says, "my man treats me like crap, but he has an eight inch penis and I can't live without it."

Some woman orgasm from penetration, but most need some form of clitoral stimulation. Without getting too detailed, I did research for a story I was crafting. Doctors, therapist, counselors, etc. overwhelmingly agreed that sexual pleasure for a female was 90% mental. Sexual gratification is a state of being, which is what kira was stating.

You have a mouth, fingers, and penis. Novelty shops carry an array of marital aids (toys), which you could add to your arsenal of pleasure devices. And yes, having your cervix hit, hurts, and it's not the pleasurable kind of pain! I'm sure you have heard, "it's not what you have, but how you use it." That is true. Just because a guy is well endowed does NOT make him a sex god. Conversely, a guy with an average penis but uses it well, can make a girl's dreams come true.

[Obelisk]

A friend of mine made a comment. She said, "why do men have an obsession with wanting a long, wide penis?

The obsession for me is simply my belief that bigger will look and feel better to a woman. I'm really trying to internalize that this might be true of "some" women, not all. It would make sense to me, because sometimes I see these tiny women and I cannot imagine for the life of me how a 9" rod would fit in there without discomfort.

Also I'm kind of glad I'm at least average. It could be worse, I could have been 4" or even 3". I'd probably have jumped off a bridge by now if that was the case lmao.

Totally understand the clitoral stimulation part. If there are women that would not feel like they are missing anything out with the size I have, maybe I shouldn't really toil on this so much. I just don't want to end up with the one that feels she's sacrificing that part of her pleasure just because the big dicked guys were losers and I am a good guy. I still say nature can be so cruel.

[Obelisk]

I actually had a question of women who have from larger to smaller.

Actually the same question but in parts.

Any women who have been with a really large guy, let's say 9", then were with another guy that was 5". Did it actually feel any different to you? I understand that it probably didn't feel like it was going in all the way like the last one, but was there an actual decrease in pleasure for you? Was there an increase in pleasure? (based on the claims I've read here that 9" was uncomfortable and that 5" actually felt better)

I'm really confused because some data suggests that up to 4" is what a woman can usually feel pleasurable, the rest supposedly is sort of wasted. Other data suggests that most women find hitting the cervix painful, but if they are aroused it will move out of the way allowing this mystical "cul de sac" to be hit, and this is supposed to be pleasurable for most women.

Also the data suggests that for women with smaller vaginal canals, a 5-6" penis should be able to hit that spot with no issues, and bigger will be uncomfortable. Women with larger canals might need a larger unit to reach there, like 7-8"

Maybe the trick is to find myself a woman with a smaller canal? Honest to goodness my entire source of anxiety is not being able to please the woman I end up with (if any). I could care less about bragging rights.

[Obelisk]

Can you post that as a new thread or in another thread

It would be nice to try to keep each OP's question to exactly that, their question for answers....

Though I think Little answered it well.

I also don't think I ever had expectations it's a bit like a candy box you know? They are full of some nuts and others are more mouth-watering but it's based on taste. And by that I mean chemistry...

I wonder if I should or just drop it. After some very good information from from very nice ladies in the other forums I visit, they explained quite a bit of stuff to me.

I think I do understand now somewhat. For some women, a 9" rod is too large because they are smaller than that and it hurts them. For these type of women, something like 6" (I'm very close to that ) is perfect, and ends hitting everything at the back.

For others with very large canals, they probably need something around 9" to be able to reach the same areas.

I think I'm satisfied with that answer. Going to concentrate my efforts on the smaller sized women

Also am I allowed to post links to pics? They are G-Rated, nothing graphic at all.