[Highlighter]

I'd say she's definitely worried about the smell. That's one of the main reasons girls would find going down disgusting.

Try taking a shower with her and then starting it in the shower. you could even wash her.

As for the oral sex problem you're having, you've got to be really comfortable with her, and try having her watch you masturbate. I know with my boyfriend, from watching him do it I was able to understand the speed and pressure and what he was doing so that I could mimic it.

Good luck!

[Private.Flangeamin]

We posted at the same time.... PF.

Why? They are young and un-experienced and learning? Did you read the beginning? Hystorm i agree as you have been there and others agree.

Nothing wrong at such an early stage sexually to find anything discusting really because you have not experienced, so how would you know.

And this is why she is open to doing oral on you, it is in our heads, first thing i knew you were supposed to be okay with but didn't mean then, i knew how to?

Learn together and grow, as age builds so does knowledge.....

CW

Perhaps its one of the reasons is its just the difference in countries ..wn explaination ? ..CW myself and everybody i knew started dating at approx age15 ..and those dates took us out for fun days ...we all lived with our parents non of my friends parents were divorced...we had to be in (back at our parents house) for 11.30pm and not much had changed by 19 or 20 regards that time and i had a big gang of girlfriends . As you know you can drink alchohol at age 18 here but most girls would start going to pub with boyfriends at age 16 .. Nobody thought of marriage or kids at such a young age because we generally knew we were kids or we didnt act any older than the age we were . I think in general there is that difference between our countries kids grow up are "older headed" and compleatly different to British teenagers . I remember once going to my friends home her mum and grandmother were at home my friend and i both with our boyfriends. We walked in and proceeded to go to the bedroom to listen to music as kids to at that age ...and we WERE kids ....so her grandmother nstops us and asks where do you thing your going ? then she said FORGET IT ..there are NO boys going in anyones bedroom and certainly not here ahe said THATS how the problems begin and she was not having any boys sprawling on the beds doing things with any girls ...being the KIDS that we were we thought that was something to giggle over as you know at that age immaturity ...nobody had thoughts of marriage on their mind it was college, uni, getting a career NOT babies and marriage with no money . As you have to have money here to get a MORTGAGE to buy buy a decent home to provide for your children or you end up in poverty having had no life at all and sadly many young girls here dont have the brains to realize that having a child and wanting the marriage thing dosent worrk like that here ! ..my comment about the nipples was lighthearted and it was not addressed to the poster and i meant a massage including that area .

As far as this young guys concerned i personally feel that if he is writing telling people how much he adores his girlfriend and loves her and hes ready for marriage in this country a guy wouldnt be writing up talking about those intimate details ..NEVER write anything up you wouldnt want your girlfreind to see . and as i said before they ARE having sex CH and i quite rightly advised the guy to use a condom nobody else did !! unless he dosent mind and her family and his family are JUST FINE about her getting prgnant before marriage . It sounds like the young lady is what she is A YOUNG GIRL and he is also A YOUNG BOY i would forget about feeling they HAVE to be doing these things peer pressure ect what they read ..tv..everywhere it is givving the message HAVE SEX , do it now have oral sex , how to give oral sex, all these things with maturity will come naturally ..How about ABSTAINING from sex as this girl hasd made it clear she wants to be a virgin on her wedding night i feel is is being pressured and i certainly wouldnt have been using the words REEK to my boyfriend ...talking like this and doing the things they are doing i feel is wrong .. They are young kids but with "old mind" that isnt an insult it is just the way kids are . I personally thing its too young to be getting married, he shouldnt be discussing these things with a girl who is clearly uncomfortable ...if they do marry it could be young lust and once this guy does these things and or if bshe dosent want to do the things he wants when married thats how affairs and divorces happen ! hope its cleared that up for you PF

[CHANDLERS WISH]

That is a very logical statement actually.

And, for instance, someone else may have read why? did you read? As who is she?

When i was just simply asking why? did you read, which you got. And i'm Australian as you know, so yes i agree that different countries can be a very big reason for a lot of communication or thoughts.

Well apart from all the other friends, "which i had few of" as there were no girls in my street, i saw that picture vividly, correct that is what our teenage life was like and parents. Didn't mean i didn't fight for my first one at 16 that they wouldn't let me go out with, mind you he was a "strong" boy for his age, maybe they didn't believe we would stop at a kiss, maybe they were right, i'll never know....

Actually, i as engaged at 25, shhhh my Mother wanted us to sleep in separate beds when we went to there home and stayed over? Dear me... But respect does that to you.

Mmm, i could not agree more, the risk of her accidently coming across a line of writing that she never knew could destroy everything in a matter of "1 second", but that comment you made goes for any age, any sex if only they understood. This is why i am a bit "Private", no punt intended for the second time, because i do not know that my future H is going to read CW, not that i have huge skeletons in my closet but my past is my past, present is my present and future is my future, that is how i see it.

And, yes, i also agree that the teenagers of today are vastly different from when we were or those before us, but i read a lot here, 20,22, we are vigins, getting married, how do we do this?

I guess for me, i like to look at each different topic as a different topic it is all to hard to ascertain the person behind it, and there legitimacy of spilling their intimate details but that is me.

Yes, well if you have a warped sense of humor..........lol. Ah, had a great day yesterday but with a ahhh in the middle so, my usual haha, didn't find itself, she's back again today though. So, i get it!!!!! Probably Richard would have got it to....

I think i defended a lot of poor kids at school, and no one needs it now in life, perhaps i in fact should have become a Lawyer, career wise...

And, one last thing regarding these "kids" learning, i visited that Free Porn site to see what the fuss is about, now i'm not starting more work in that area here, it's a comment only, and to be honest, you can be 12, 11, what ever, to be able to see what i saw no wonder the kids are wanting to learn things...

That is a completely different topic, but in line with yours regarding kids and oral sex etc.



CW

[Richard S]

You carnt be serious......thats the best part ...ok, perhaps im speaking for myself but dont know how you can say that...

The massage technique I was referring to involves opening up the body's non-sexual energy centers as much as possible, then saving the best for last. It's a powerful technique, you should find someone to try it on you some time.

Women's bodies are complicated. The goal is to get her to release as much of her tension as possible, and if things go the right way, the sexual arousal rushes in to fill the vacuum that's been created, so there is no reason to hit the "target organs" (nipples, clitoris, etc.).

Have you ever even studied massage, even on a amateur, self-taught level? There is a LOT to know. And there is something special about how a woman responds to a man, or to anyone she has a deep, trusting relationship with.

[Private.Flangeamin]

And, one last thing regarding these "kids" learning, i visited that Free Porn site to see what the fuss is about, now i'm not starting more work in that area here, it's a comment only, and to be honest, you can be 12, 11, what ever, to be able to see what i saw no wonder the kids are wanting to learn things...

That is a completely different topic, but in line with yours regarding kids and oral sex etc.

CH ...i just included the above comment but i agree with you. There is so much more things available relating to porn or sex younger people have access to now its true the internet , nobody had that , in fact we didnt have mobile phones so no sms msge!! the kids are lucky ..it was parents permission for using thier phone to friends (and them paying for it ) you know what kids are like...the surprises with the phone bills ..!! we didnt have TV's in our bedrooms and we spent all our pocket money on hairspray and makeup . Even though we were allowed to go to the pub most people socialize there ...we only dared drink 2 white wine spritzers a tiny bit of wine and a hell of a lot of soda water ! we all thought we were so sophisticated ...but we were innocent ! Many a time if i wasnt home on the the DOT of 11.pm and before i'd see my mother standing on the corner of the road ...arms folded ...i knew i was in for it ...where have you been |GET HOME ..your father is going mad !! me trying to run in high heels to avoid her slapping me all the way home or the scruff of the neck ...(so much for trying to look "cool" ) i know it was because she was worried about me and im sure i will be exactly the same if i ever have a daughter ...in fact my mum who i love dearly with all my heart and soul STILL says to me ..."dont talk back to your mother ...your not too old for a slap " IM 39 ...i love you mum x

CW

There is so much pressure for todays teenagers but she should be proud to keep her virginity for her wedding night and her boyfriend should and im sure he will respect her wishes.

[CHANDLERS WISH]

CH ...i just included the above comment but i agree with you. There is so much more things available relating to porn or sex younger people have access to now its true the internet , nobody had that , in fact we didnt have mobile phones so no sms msge!! the kids are lucky ..it was parents permission for using thier phone to friends (and them paying for it ) you know what kids are like...the surprises with the phone bills ..!! we didnt have TV's in our bedrooms and we spent all our pocket money on hairspray and makeup . Even though we were allowed to go to the pub most people socialize there ...we only dared drink 2 white wine spritzers a tiny bit of wine and a hell of a lot of soda water ! we all thought we were so sophisticated ...but we were innocent ! Many a time if i wasnt home on the the DOT of 11.pm and before i'd see my mother standing on the corner of the road ...arms folded ...i knew i was in for it ...where have you been |GET HOME ..your father is going mad !! me trying to run in high heels to avoid her slapping me all the way home or the scruff of the neck ...(so much for trying to look "cool" ) i know it was because she was worried about me and im sure i will be exactly the same if i ever have a daughter ...in fact my mum who i love dearly with all my heart and soul STILL says to me ..."dont talk back to your mother ...your not too old for a slap " IM 39 ...i love you mum x

CW

Not sure where you got that cut and paste from? There is a CW at the end and it aint me?

Unless that was your quote from somewhere and you were talking to me? I'm curious, as i have never read that, that i can ever remember?

Pray tell?

CW

[CHANDLERS WISH]

Sorry, for the double post, but i got it, it is your reply but CW is just at the end of it, not cut out.....

Love my Mum to, she still tells me what colour lipstick to wear or that she prefers me blonde.

Got to love them.

CW

[Private.Flangeamin]

Have you ever even studied massage, even on a amateur, self-taught level? There is a LOT to know. And there is something special about how a woman responds to a man, or to anyone she has a deep, trusting relationship with.

Yes , i have actually Richard (studied massage|) and also experienced i was sent for massage as i suffer from stress which in tun gives me psoriasis i have in on and off since 17 years of age its galled guttate psoriasis little small patches THE ONLY cure for that particular type of psoriasis is PUVA light treatment its a special sort of sunbed they have at the hospital as well as a beautiful tan in only a few sessions it clears up totally . We dont have the sunny weather here in England to sunbathe so i make the most of the summers (roll on summer) i havent had it for a while AS PART of the treatment the hospital sends you for massage THAT is part of the treatment also relaxation classes deep breathing ect ect . If you had read previous posts i made you will of seen i was talking about massage for woman in non sexual way to help her totally relax actually i could teach you a few things as as 17 to 39 is a long time to know about it ...yes its true but more of a lighthearted comment (you know humour!) but it is true gently carressing a womans breasts along with other NON sexual parts of the body can bring her to orgasm . I have small breast 34B and they are very sensitive. You will see in my other posts i talked of foot massage ect its something men should LEARN about as women will benefit so much

[CHANDLERS WISH]

If you had read previous posts i made you will of seen i was talking about massage for woman in non sexual way to help her totally relax actually i could teach you a few things as as 17 to 39 is a long time to know about it ...yes its true but more of a lighthearted comment (you know humour!) but it is true gently carressing a womans breasts along with other NON sexual parts of the body can bring her to orgasm . I have small breast 34B and they are very sensitive. You will see in my other posts i talked of foot massage ect its something men should LEARN about as women will benefit so much

Think he's older than you, bugger..... And married!!! And, um the breasts are in fact a sexual part of the body? So personally i prefer all that non sexual stuff i have read over the past couple months giving pleasure for a long juration as i stated here on this thread of what i prefer before hand, mmm, my man says all of that too...

But hey, that's just my preference as a woman.

I think there are leasons for all of us to learn about sex, bodies, pleasure, temptation, holding back, not-doing, then doing, ....

That's my thoughts...

CW

[Private.Flangeamin]

Think he's older than you, bugger..... And married!!!

I think there are leasons for all of us to learn about sex, bodies, pleasure, temptation, holding back, not-doing, then doing, ....

That's my thoughts...

CW

Not quite sure about your first comment CH ? ...i carnt see why thats relevant ...its of no interest to me , why would it be . ?? perhaps it is to you .

I havent got a hang up about my breasts, im lucky ive seen teenage kids schoolgirls with wopping great sagging ones and they are only 15 a lot of it is all the diet and fizzy drinks ect ...and if thier mums were "Big girls"..im just a petite frame in general ...you seem to be very aware that that part of the body is sexul yes you can get sexual pleasure but you can get that off ANY part of the body . When you sunbathe topless on beaches abroad nobody is considering that anything sexual going on ...there is a famous show in France ...dancers at the FOLLY BERGERE (spelling error) people dont go there thinking of sexual things they are all beautiful girls with great nfigures and breasts ...niether do people who like to take nudist holidays they dont have hang up or constanly thinking about breasts penis vaginas ect ....regards sex, am i among the select few here that does NOT have any hangups about sex or my body or what a man does with his body ? thats why i dont go into a load of details about what i "do" in bed ...it dosent occurr to me to do it and it would bore the *** of everyone who cared to read it ...