[musicpassion4him]

Hey! I haven't read all the posts but I just wanted to share what I know (sorry if its already been said before). I work in the medical field and here is what I know about BV. In the v-tract a balance exists between good bacteria and good yeast. When something throws this balance off you get either an overgrowth of yeast (yeast infxn) or overgrowth of bacteria (BV). Common causes that throw this balance off are acid imbalance, irritation from rough intercourse, harsh soaps (would recommend switching to a soap for sensitive skin--my doctor said that water is even enough to clean down there), douching, tampons even. Unfortunately, the only way to treat BV is through taking antibiotics (either orally or vaginally) because the bacteria gets trapped inside the cells that line the wall of the vagina. My recommendation here would be to make sure that you finish the entire course of antibiotics. If you are getting recurrent infections within a wk or so of stopping antibiotics, then you never got rid of the original infection. Ask your doctor to prescribe you a longer course of antibiotics (probably 14 instead of 7 days). The only other thing you can do is try to prevent infxns by avoiding triggers that would throw off your delicate balance. Also avoid wiping back to front...wipe front to back. Good luck!

[red_berry]

Whey Yes! Drugs No!

Those of you that like me have been suffering for years with this problem know that the antibiotics our doctors and other people reading a few posts and thinking they have our answer insist will kill this DO NOT work for us. In these cases we SHOULD NOT take antibiotics because all we are doing is increasing our chances of getting certain cancers, ruining our teeth, ruining our ability to fight other bacterial infections that antibiotics are supposed to cure especially after surgery. Antibiotics are neccessary when they are needed!! They DO NOT work for this!

I've had this for almost 5 years, and at first, like many others on here, I took and took and took all the different combinations of drugs the doctors gave me, and it always came back, I didn't stop taking them before they were finished, I dealt with the side effects because I wanted to be cured, and I wasn't. The only thing that has worked in all this time is consistent taking of the Reuteri probiotics AND the fabulous Detective Sarah WHEY solution!! Other natural cures have worked for a short time.

For awhile just taking the Reuteri worked, then it stopped working to fix it but would be even worse if I stopped the Reuteri. The vaginal vitamin C worked to fix it every time it came back but then they stopped making the stuff (regular vitamin c inserted does not work) and even if they hadn't it was always just a temporary fix until it came back, I tried every suggestion and product on here like the Hydrogen peroxide and they did not work, I tried this cala-gel which worked for a few weeks then stopped, nothing did (and trust me i've tried every suggestion on this forum-thank you everyone).

Everything I own and wear is unscented and cotton, I am a clean hygenic person who YES wipes properly and showers regularly, I literally do everything I can, including trust me, anything anyone who doesn't deal with this can come up with! I've spent hundreds of dollars trying to fix this and while some of the things seemed to work for a while I NEVER realized that they didn't ever fix the problem until I tried the Molkosan and the whey, because the way I feel down there right now is something I forgot about long ago: NORMAL. It did come back after my period and using tampons which I think are one of the causes (but not the only one because I did try organic cotton pads only which made the problem less severe but it was still there, then organic cotton tampons only which also helped but did not cure) but I will not give them up if I don't have to because I hate pads, but as soon as I squirted some of the molkosan in there-gone the next day!

I'll write a second post explaining the molkosan stuff you guys were asking me about

[SimplySpoiled]

BV for 2 years now. Took Flgyll three times. More recently I've been keeping symptoms at bay with a B50 complex vitamin, Manjakat pills, but sometimes the smelly symptoms come back. When it has I've made my ph more acidic with Braggs brand apple cider vinegar douche. I like the ACV, but am interested in the Whey.

Detective Sarah, you said that it can be messy. Since you've started using it in pea sized ball inserts, how messy does it get?

Thx,

SS )

[red_berry]

Angelhalo,

YAY, Yes I am happily still BV free using the molkosan though now I am also using the 70% lactose Whey I found and will try and find the 100% stuff if I can.

How I use the molkosan is: I fill a 1tsp medicine dropper for kids (with a bulb on the end) with the molkosan, lie down, insert the dropper and squeeze it all in, i'm not sure how much actually gets in because a lot seems to come right out but either way it's working so I am happy I did experience some irritation in that area every time i've used it but it's always gone when I wake up and it feels normal again. The molkosan has gotten rid of all the symptoms that I had like the irritation and the smell (completely, the only smell I can detect is like detective Sarah said a milky smell, which isn't bad at all). As for the discharge, before I started getting BV I would always get normal discharge that smelled and felt normal (I think some women get normal discharge all the time like I used to and some don't, both are normal). When I got BV I got the bad smelly discharge that was thin and watery and irritating and no more normal discharge. Even when the BV seemed to be fixed for a while I still always felt kind of dry and irritated down there (just not smelly) but it wasn't until I used the Molkosan and the Whey that the normal discharge finally came back and I remembered after so long what NORMAL is supposed to feel like! I'm still taking one reuteri pill a day because I have a feeling this also helps insure that the good bacteria are there multiplying. The Molkosan cost me $10.95 for the small bottle and it says keep in the fridge, (which I do).

It's only been 3 weeks on this but as I said, it only came back after my period and was gone the day after I used the molkosan again!!

[red_berry]

Oh, and i've been experimenting by only using it when I get symptoms just to see the difference because I knew detective sarah was doing it every time after sex, and it didn't come back after sex, I did not have to use it again until it came back right after my last period ended which was only 2 days ago so no sex yet since but i'll update again in a week! So so far it seems it is the best cure for all of us who have tried everything we can! Lactose!! Go figure, i'm lactose intolerant

[sue]

does anyone know how they got bv. The sites i go to say std

[DetectiveSarah]

hey everyone

No it's not an STD.


Simplyspoiled; the little balls i made of whey powder make a tiny bit of creamy whey discharge on my underpants. but it's pretty unobtrusive. It is convenient for me to make a dozen or so little balls, and that lasts a fortnight or so and i can just pop on in. and it's portable - can go in a pillbox in my handbag when i stay at a hotel with my boyfriend (which is too often, he likes it, i like my own home- go figure).

RedBerry - that's wikked you sorted it out. I would like to get that molkosan but i'm not sure i can get it here. I would like to hear more of your experimentation. So impressed.
But the Whey's fine, it works.

And after my exams I hope the rest of my life falls into place because it all seems like a miserable mess - apart from not having chronic bv any more

[Javalene]

i went to the doctor a few months ago after having irregular periods, he sent me to do a few tests to find out what the cause of this is. Upon receiving the results of the tests only one showed any signs of what could be happening. The diagnosis was that i have baterial vaginosis and he explained to me what that was. I was treated for it with antibiotics and they worked well. My problem now is, the same problem i had with my period is here again with a new development as far as i have noticed. I have noticed that my period has completely stopped. and all that i have done is to have oral sex and whenever i had an orgasm, about an hour or so later i would start to bleed as if im having my period again. I need to know if anyone ever had this problem and how to cope with it.

[Gaby26]

i went to the doctor a few months ago after having irregular periods, he sent me to do a few tests to find out what the cause of this is. Upon receiving the results of the tests only one showed any signs of what could be happening. The diagnosis was that i have baterial vaginosis and he explained to me what that was. I was treated for it with antibiotics and they worked well. My problem now is, the same problem i had with my period is here again with a new development as far as i have noticed. I have noticed that my period has completely stopped. and all that i have done is to have oral sex and whenever i had an orgasm, about an hour or so later i would start to bleed as if im having my period again. I need to know if anyone ever had this problem and how to cope with it.

Javalene,

I have never had this type of problem. This is something that should be reported back to your doctor.

[angie75]

First Make sure you have BV either from a visit to the doctor or a pH test Kit.

Heres my understanding of BV after many long hours of reading, sharing stories and trial and errors.
There are a number of species of bacteria that naturally live in the vaginal area and may grow to excess.. When these multiple species of bacteria become imbalanced, a woman can have a vaginal discharge with a foul odor or BV. Lactobacillus (Good) species of bacteria are classified as aerobic bacteria, or bacteria whose growth is favored by aerated, oxygen-rich microenvironments. Lactobacillus (Good) bacteria produce micro-quantities of lactic acid, which account for the moderate acidity of normal vaginal secretions. Lactobacillus (Good) bacteria are also responsible for vaginal micro-quantities of hydrogen peroxide, a compound that also appears to play a prominent role in protecting vaginal lining cells from certain kinds of infection.
Bacterial Vaginosis is brought about when the normal, healthy bacteria of the vagina are replaced by mixed populations of predominantly anaerobic bacteria. Anaerobic (Bad) bacteria tend to thrive in closed-off, relatively oxygen-depleted microenvironments. The anaerobic (Bad) bacteria which have been linked to bacterial vaginosis include Gardnerella vaginalis, Prevotella species, Mobiluncas species, Peptostreptococcus species, and Mycoplasma hominis.
When anaerobic (Bad) bacteria has replaced the lactic acid producing Lactobacillus species the acidity of the vaginal secretions will become significantly neutralized. The pH of vaginal secretions is normally between 3.8 and 4.2. Vaginal pH measurements that are above this range and especially those above a cut-off value or 4.5 have been defined as evidence of an abnormal vaginal condition. If bacterial vaginosis develops, the pH will be significantly increased- that is, the acidity is significantly reduced. If you’re not familiar with the pH
Scale, from 0 to 7 is acidic with 7 being neutral from 7 to 14 is alkaline.
My thoughts (just my thoughts) on treatment. When we are given antibiotics such as Cleocin, metronidazole (flygal), and Vandazole gel. Though some of these are designed to target the bad bacteria they will kill the bad as well as the good. When the vagina reproduces these bacteria the hopes are that the good bacteria will grow in greater numbers than the bad therefore creating normal vaginal flora. It seems to me this does not always happen or if it does its only temporary in some people like ourselves. Something has caused our pH level to be changed to a lower acidic level (more alkaline). Some women have relapses of BV after unprotected sex there’s also cases of virgins having BV so what causes this pH change is what’s not understood. Either way the lower acidic level is what the bad bacteria like they strive in that environment. Killing more of the good bacterial which in return reduces the lactic acid produced by the good bacteria making tour pH levels even less acidic. Our goal is to increase the acid to the proper pH
Some women have had success in douching with Hydrogen Peroxide. This creates an oxygen rich environment for the good bacteria to grow. Some have had success using Acidophilus, Folic acid, Boric acid and/or Vinegars (Acids) in many different ways to increase acidic levels.
What we on this forum have found to work is to use some form of lactose which is found in whey products to feed the good bacteria. The good bacteria use the lactose and will in turn change the lactose into lactic acid which will raise the acidic levels of the vigina. There are also products that contain lactic acid such as Molkosan concentrated lacto fermented whey. As well there are products that contain the proper levels of acid such as Acigel, BIO-FEM Instant Active Gel and others that are gels inserted to raise the Acid level. The ladies of this forum have had the most success using either of these two or the two in combination.

Sorry for such a long post but I hope this helps someone !