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  • Trooth
    Junior Member
    • Aug 2013
    • 4

    Originally posted by SFlare
    There's a study that blew up all over the internet around april published by the journal Proceeings of the National Academy of Sciences, you can google it I'm sure, saying they'd proven women prefer big penis. You should see some of the headlines it produced, "Sorry boys, women like a big ole D!" Why are men insecure? How could we not be.
    Yes, I saw it. The man hating websites loved it, proving the penis size obsession is linked to man hate in my opinion. Some may have just been desperate for some buzz from it but mostly it was framed as antimale. Anyway, if you actually read the study, it has some flaws in the methods, as pretty much any study on this subject is going to have. The funniest thing though, was when you got into the details of the study, the attractiveness rating was only affected by visual proportionality in the flaccid state, the numbers diminished outside the average range to insignificant, and the effect of penis size in this state and within the normal range was rated well below other aspects of the physical appearance. So, nothing to write home about at all but didn't stop the websites from spinning it to try to make guys feel insecure. Its much easier to dominate an insecure person and they obviously are making some headway with it. Only we can refuse to submit to this nonsense.

    There was another study trying to link "larger penis" preference to women who report ability to achieve "vaginal orgasm". Again, serious flaws in the methods. Was a completely self reported, subjective study. No actual penile measurements, no measurement of the actual type or intensity of orgasm, no way to verify any of the information gathered, no science whatsoever. Anyone who feels any differently about himself based on this "study" has absolutely no reason to. Again, its propaganda. Why aren't we out studying intensity of guys' orgasms based on vaginal tone? Because we don't actually care very much as long as they let us in their vagina and we are not on a mission to destroy their self esteem.

    In reading reports by many women (again, not scientific), many report only being able to achieve orgasm with an average size penis, the angle of attack, the firmness of erection, and most importantly the amount of emotional connection to the guy plays the biggest role in vaginal orgasm. Even my wife has stated a bigger than average penis feels fuller, but that sensation detracted from the type of stimulation she needs to have a vaginal orgasm. Of course, not every woman will have this experience and the fuller feeling may be what they need to have a vaginal orgasm, but in reading many, many posts by (supposed) women (who really knows on this infernal internet), a lot of them agree with my wife, they'd had bigger guys who they enjoyed because of the full feeling, but had never had a vaginal orgasm until they had sex with one they loved with an average size penis.

    Of course, there's the whole debate of clitoral vs vaginal vs other orgasm and there's plenty written on that also. I've read some women say they prefer vaginal, but clitoral is very close, and I've read even more say clitoral blows vaginal out of the water and they don't even care about vaginal because clitoral is so much better, then there's those who can't tell the difference or can only seem to have clitoral, which based on the above statements I've seen women making, if I were a woman, clitoral would be just fine with me, especially if I could have multiples (and again, given that stimulating the clitoris to orgasm is likely very, very closely related to what we feel if our penis is stimulated to orgasm, why we discount that aspect of love making and focus our depressive efforts on penis size is needless to me).

    I would like to state my opinion that by demanding that all women are as hungup on our size issue as we are and are either honest that they want bigger or are lying if they say it truly doesn't matter to them, we are truly offending the large percentage of women who aren't lying, that it truly doesn't matter to them.

    To all, I tend to type freely and don't spend a lot of time rereading and pondering my posts, although I do try to look over grammar and frame things nonoffensively, etc. I look at it like having a casual conversation and would appreciate others cutting me some slack if something isn't clear or if you disagree, great, just be cordial in your disagreement. I have looked to have an honest, intelligent conversation on this subject but the internet is a very hard place to do that. Thanks.

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    • jns
      Assistant Admin
      • Mar 2010
      • 8398

      The headlines are always lurid. It is how some people choose to make money. To them, so what if you are more insecure after reading what they write. I looked at the abstract and a number of articles to see what was being said. I suppose if I had a lot of money to pony up, I could have got the full article to browse through. Some of the articles were citing the abstract which means that they don't consider it necessary to go to the source to make something up.
      I have but one lamp by which my feet are guided, and that is the lamp of experience.
      ...
      Shall we gather strength by irresolution and inaction? Shall we acquire the means of effectual resistance by lying supinely on our backs and hugging the delusive phantom of hope, until our enemies shall have bound us hand and foot?

      From a speech by Patrick Henry on March 23, 1775 at St. John's Church, Richmond, Virginia

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      • Trooth
        Junior Member
        • Aug 2013
        • 4

        Can someone explain to me the advantage of choosing to not believe in love, especially as it relates to interacting with women, the vast majority of whom believe deeply in the concept of love?

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        • PhrendlyPhil
          Member
          • Jul 2013
          • 96

          Most men have a penis, when erect, that measures 5 to 7 inches. That is EXACTLY the size it needs to be to penetrate, ejaculate, and impregnate any woman. In fact, 3 inches is all that's needed to procreate. Humans have evolved a longer penis because we are the only mammals that face one another during intercourse (the human vulva being a bit more forward than say a cow or a horse necessitates that our penis be longer than a couple of inches). The vagina can accommodate pretty much any size penis (heck it can accommodate a baby's body!). From a pleasure point of view, most of the nerves of the vagina are in the first inch or two (and of course the clitoris). So a longer penis is not going to stimulate any female nerve endings (in fact it could even cause her some discomfort). So other than some visual turn-on (for porn, etc), a long penis doesn't serve any purpose (either for procreation or pleasure).

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          • Obelisk
            Veteran Member
            • Jul 2013
            • 441

            Originally posted by PhrendlyPhil
            Most men have a penis, when erect, that measures 5 to 7 inches. That is EXACTLY the size it needs to be to penetrate, ejaculate, and impregnate any woman. In fact, 3 inches is all that's needed to procreate. Humans have evolved a longer penis because we are the only mammals that face one another during intercourse (the human vulva being a bit more forward than say a cow or a horse necessitates that our penis be longer than a couple of inches). The vagina can accommodate pretty much any size penis (heck it can accommodate a baby's body!). From a pleasure point of view, most of the nerves of the vagina are in the first inch or two (and of course the clitoris). So a longer penis is not going to stimulate any female nerve endings (in fact it could even cause her some discomfort). So other than some visual turn-on (for porn, etc), a long penis doesn't serve any purpose (either for procreation or pleasure).
            Let me refer you to.....this thread!

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