[Hystorm]

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LOL, ummm....ok, thanks.

[C]

LOL, ummm....ok, thanks.

I am so sorry that I did not make this plain....I did not write it to you, I wrote it to all women....My mistake....

[Hystorm]

Oh, heh No CW, That is not what I meant...
I was just trying to make a simple comment on the turn the thread had taken...

[CHANDLERS WISH]

Chandlers Wish, nope - I haven't been involved in a war, you must've misread . The one thing I mentioned about war was to point out that South Korea only adopted circumcision because of the American military and cultural influence from the Korean war.

Your right, i read " i was there" but you were referring to something else, now that's i re-read that bit... I hated history to be honest, i thought circumsicion was an adoption by humans all over the world based on some "u bute Doctor's" - world wide article that said it "should be done"....

I'm the first to admit you never to old to learn, and that i love learning, it's called "growing"... up/old or just for the now..

But yes, you're right - I suppose what I'm talking about has become disjointed from the original posters question. For some reason circumcision and it's proponents really get my goat, the thought of someone deciding I don't need a bodypart that evolution graced me with for a reason without my permission just seems far too cruel to be so accepted in our supposedly moral and developed society. People I've known who've been circumcised feel victimised, and wish it hadn't happened.

I also guess where "Passion" is involved as it is evident here, by your posts, we speak very strongly as it hits a nerve.

To be passionate about something will always mean someone will tell it from their view, hard and fast, passionately... Appreciate it can be a bit difficult therefore not to express it in its entirity, as there is that passion. Subtleness seems to go by the way

When I strongly discuss the subject, I guess it's in the hope that maybe some of the potential mothers might think twice before taking a blade to their babies penis. As quoted from wiki before, here in England (and europe (sorta illegal in sweden) it's seen as highly unethical - so you can see why I'm shocked hearing girls say that they're freaked out by a penis as "god" intended.

Imagine though, we are women, and we've never had it done to us it maybe the most difficult thing for a women to decide on her own, therefore, as she has never experienced it perhaps this is why it seems that the men get to make that decision on most occasions or so it seems by the responses.

WHAT i do see there as a very valid point that you are now making, to women and i agree as research is important when you don't know an answer:- Is to ask a dozen or so men, not just read the books in which it states it should be done and gain one man's opinion and then decide. Your point made that from those who you know that have had it done and how they feel, that makes a lot of sense.

It is those statements to me that are more pertinent to pose the question.


LITTLE:- I have no problem at all with age, if you re-read that comment, i had read it wrong and thought that he had gone to the war at 22, and i was saying "with passion" that's a hard call at that age, using his age in that text and that form only "war"...

I have a problem with Governments sending 19 + to war when they haven't even had some form of life whilst they feel that they are the most energetic, it is just wrong in my books. They haven't even begun to life.

But, that would be an even different subject yet again....

Yes, i have also read in-depth of an article and watched a woman on the TV, she was 50 years old and a Doctor deliberatley took her sexuality away, butchered, as well as others. That to me is more than a crime, as she/they had experienced those pleasures for a good part of their lives:- But just as much as a child having it done, for cultural reasons! So if i put myself in those shoes, as a woman, my stomach would turn.


HYSTORM: -

To be a bit bold... I do prefer a man non-circumsised, in foreplay with my hand, as for the rest, it has never entered my mind, once intimate, it's just the love of that person and the feeling between us that comes from the manhood and her combined.

[Little]

The government doesn't "send people" to war. In the English-speaking countries I'm aware of and most 1st world countries, there is no such thing as a draft or conscription. Those who are in the military have joined for their own reasons, whether they are correct, selfish, or completely selfless and honorable.
"Halp us Jon Carry we are stuk here in Irak" ... that's ridiculous (and satire, in case you haven't seen it.) In this day and age, we young people know what we're getting into when we sign those papers. Probably 75% of my friends are in the military.
Which brings me back to the topic at hand ... I think Caroline mentioned it. Uncircumcised guys out in the field who can't wash ... what're the consequences of that? Other than the smell, which my boyfriend mentioned.
I brought up female "circumcision" because I think that someday people will think of male circumcision the same way. You're still cutting off a vital piece of a man's genital structure; it's just that our society upholds it.
You know, though, the Jews do have one thing going for them: They'll never steal your Doritos ... they're not kosher ;D I say that lightheartedly, of course.

[CHANDLERS WISH]

Certainly Little and i am aware that a lot of people you know have joined the Military.

Here, in Australia, they advertise immensely, as a career and dangle carrots in dollar terms that i know as a "fact", some have joined purely and only for that reason, due to the advertising of money involved as they have conversed that back and Mother's have conversed those thought and feelings with me.

I also have a close friend that is 42, he spent 20 years and as i said, friends who have sons in it.

So, i was purely making a statement pertaining to age, which i have no problem with to answer you on that note and why i made that statement to start with...

It's such a huge advertising thing here that's all..

[Hystorm]

For simple info reasons, I remember when I was in my single digit ages, if I did not pull back the foreskin while showering each day, I would start to get a cheesy type of build-up at the base of the head. You could call it **** cheese I guess. Sorry, if anyone reading that was eating at the time
Its probable thats one of the reasons for the removal. As in ancient times, baths were few and far in between.
I guess my bottom line question was if the women can physically tell the differance between a schlong that is cut and more like a dildo over one that has the skin intact which creates a type of buffer between the penis and the vaginal wall.

In any case, I thank you all for your help and assistance.

Chou.

[sillygirl611]

My husband, who is 25, is not circumcised. When we first became intimate, I was a little suprised at what I saw. Being trained as a CNA I knew what an uncircumcised penis looked like, so that wasn't what suprised me. At our age, I thought almost every male was circumcised, that that's just what was done in this day-in-age. Suprisingly, it's not as common as I was led to believe. Before I met him I was all for circumcision, it does "look" better, but what really changed my opinion was seeing documentation on female circumcision. It is horrifying to see how so many women are disfigured in other countries because it's custom. Women, think about how you would look without a hood on your clitoris, or even more drastic, total labia and clitoris removal. What would be the purpose of such disfiguration for women? I look at it the same way for men. There really is no reason to remove the foreskin.(I am aware of religious beliefs) My husband was taught when he was little to pull the foreskin back and clean it just like us women have to do. As long as it's kept clean, there is no problem. After educating myself more about both sexes circumcision, I really thought about how I would feel if I had been circumcised at birth and how disfigured I would be. The male genitalia was created the way it was for a reason, as was women's. Look at it in reverse prospective and think about how you would feel if it were you having a part of you cut off, extra skin or not. (I'm just trying to "expand horizons" and by no means forcing this on anyone. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion)

[sillygirl611]

My husband, who is 25, is not circumcised. When we first became intimate, I was a little suprised at what I saw. Being trained as a CNA I knew what an uncircumcised penis looked like, so that wasn't what suprised me. At our age, I thought almost every male was circumcised, that that's just what was done in this day-in-age. Suprisingly, it's not as common as I was led to believe. Before I met him I was all for circumcision, it does "look" better, but what really changed my opinion was seeing documentation on female circumcision. It is horrifying to see how so many women are disfigured in other countries because it's custom. Women, think about how you would look without a hood on your clitoris, or even more drastic, total labia and clitoris removal. What would be the purpose of such disfiguration for women? I look at it the same way for men. There really is no reason to remove the foreskin.(I am aware of religious beliefs) My husband was taught when he was little to pull the foreskin back and clean it just like women have to do. As long as it's kept clean, there is no problem. After educating myself more about both sexes circumcision, I really thought about how I would feel if I had been circumcised at birth and how disfigured I would be. The male genitalia was created the way it was for a reason, as was women's. Look at it in reverse prospective and think about how you would feel if it were you having a part of you cut off, extra skin or not. (I'm just trying to "expand horizons" and by no means forcing this on anyone. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, this is just mine.)

[CHANDLERS WISH]

For simple info reasons, I remember when I was in my single digit ages, if I did not pull back the foreskin while showering each day, I would start to get a cheesy type of build-up at the base of the head. You could call it **** cheese I guess. Sorry, if anyone reading that was eating at the time
Its probable thats one of the reasons for the removal. As in ancient times, baths were few and far in between.
I guess my bottom line question was if the women can physically tell the differance between a schlong that is cut and more like a dildo over one that has the skin intact which creates a type of buffer between the penis and the vaginal wall.

In any case, I thank you all for your help and assistance.

Chou.

I'll highlight it for you. I DON'T KNOW...lol. I doubt that i would feel the difference, ie ) if there was a rougher edge that rubbed against me that i felt.

Tell you what, I'll make a conscious effort to try to take notice and let you know in June, if no one answers the above ok....

CW