[Stillness]

fighter sperm

I’ve heard this years ago. I just looked this up and apparently this theory is now doubtful since follow-up studies after it became popular couldn’t verify the results. That’s what I meant by soft science. It relies heavily on opinion and worldviews.

In the course of human existence, marriage has not always been there nor has it been in the current form it stands.

Again, this goes toward your belief system. You think humans are just animals. I disagree. Promiscuity works fine with bonobos. Even the babies get involved. But in humans it leads to the spread of disease, unwanted pregnancy, emotional scarring, broken families, jealousy, violence, and sorts of other problems.

Also, plural marriage and promiscuity are two different things.

[jns]

From the article on promiscuity in Wikipedia: "Some species have promiscuous mating systems, ranging from polyandry and polygyny to mating systems with no stable relationships where mating between two individuals is a one-time event." From this I would define multiple marriage as a promiscuous human social construct.

[Stillness]

jns, I don't think your assessment fits the definition of promiscuous, though. It typically involves casual sex, not marriage and commitment.

[DreamP346]

According to the Merrian-Webster dictionary, promiscuous is fined as: having or involving many sexual partners

[DreamP346]

I’ve heard this years ago. I just looked this up and apparently this theory is now doubtful since follow-up studies after it became popular couldn’t verify the results. That’s what I meant by soft science. It relies heavily on opinion and worldviews.

I'll research this and get back to you. My learning about this was not opinion but scientific observation. I remember watching a video of sperms actually fighting.

[DreamP346]

Again, this goes toward your belief system. You think humans are just animals. I disagree. Promiscuity works fine with bonobos. Even the babies get involved. But in humans it leads to the spread of disease, unwanted pregnancy, emotional scarring, broken families, jealousy, violence, and sorts of other problems.

Also, plural marriage and promiscuity are two different things.

I thought we were talking science because now you state your opinion, not scientific facts. Humans are classified as animals, that is a scientific conclusion. If you do not believe we are animals, that is your opinion, not science. Also, unwanted pregnancy, emotional scarring, broken families, jealousy, and violence are not caused by promiscuity. They are caused with unprotected sex, lack of sexual education, lack of communication, deception and the wonderful human nature. Doesn't matter how many people you have sex with (one or hundreds). If you don't use birth control when you don't want to get pregnant, then you will experience an unwanted pregnancy which happens ALL the time with a monogomous marriage. Emotional scarring happens with deception. A single person with no commitments having sex with many consenting partners is less likely to lead to emotional scarring compared to a man who is deceptive to his wife regardless of sex. Same goes for broken families. If promiscuity is combined with deception, then it was lead to broken families. But if there was never a commitement or if the couple is engaged in a consensual open relationship, then that is not the primary cause of broken families. And violence, I don't even know how promiscuity leads to violence. Try explaining that to all the women in physically abusive relationships with their husbands.

[Stillness]

sperms actually fighting.

I don’t know if I watch too many cartoons or just have an overactive imagination, but the image in my head is hilarious.

Plural marriage was not what I had in mind when I said “promiscuous.” But plural marriage is also inferior to monogamy, in my opinion, so I’m by no means defending it. But it’s nowhere near as bad as wanton sexual expression.

And, yes, we’re animals. What I said is that you believe we’re just animals. That goes to your belief system. I’ve seen puppies and adult dogs engaged in sexual activity, just like with the other great apes. I’m sure that kind of stuff goes on all over the animal kingdom. But it’s not just prudish, puritan values that makes it illegal and mostly considered immoral in human society. It’s fine for the animals, but bad for us because it leads to bad outcomes. It’s the same with promiscuity.

Also pointing to dysfunction in marriage doesn’t really make a point against it any more than parental abuse makes a point against reproduction. An unexpected baby popping up inside the security of the marital arrangement that exists largely for that very reason is different than random people who may not even see each other again making a baby.

[Motorguy]

Well being a father of 4 daughters and let me tell you it's not easy. But I wasn't the shot gun father either. I am very protective of them. But my two oldest are rising there daughters by them self. All due to the men they choose to have there daughters with. Me and there mother let them be independent but was strict with rules while they live under my roof. But we told them you going to have sex use condoms each every time as we had them on birth control just for that unwanted pregnancy and condoms for protection of std's.

[Stillness]

Motorguy, out of curiosity, were your daughters raising daughters by themselves married to the children's fathers?

[Motorguy]

Motorguy, out of curiosity, were your daughters raising daughters by themselves married to the children's fathers?

No the fathers of there daughters are not in there life's. One flew the coupe when he found out my oldest was pregnant. The other is in prison for 20 years when he found my other daughter was pregnant he try to harm her and kill her unborn daughter. But myself and there mother have been there for them every step of the way for our grand daughters. My daughters just picked the wrong men to have kids with is all. Maybe the next guys will be worthy of being father's or husbands.