[Obelisk]

Why has no one mentioned girth? To me girth is far more satisfying than length, I think most people forget this part. The best sex I ever had was with a guy that was probably only 5 inches, but he was really wide. Who wants a massive dong banging on their uterus - not me!

Apparently some women like the uterus banging Seems to be random, some women like it and some find it painful. At the end of the day, the sweet spot seems to be 7" long. No idea with girth, but most guys are from between 4" to 6" girth. I'm 5" girth. That's apparently on the higher end of average.

Obelisk, can you imagine living in a world where you don't know how long and thick your penis is? I measured my length in my early-mid teens and I don't remember how I did it or what the reading was. That was probably 20+ years ago. I never even knew that circumference was measured until I got to this site.

I measured mine about the same time as well in my teens. I never thought much of it until I learnt that women run into guys with twice my size regularly (at least that seems to be the impression. I really don't know what to believe anymore). Really the ideal would be for me to just stop caring, but it's just hard to think of myself as substandard. At least I am able to do something about it. I wish I knew about PE a few years ago so I could have started working on it then.

And I'm sick to my stomach of hearing "love conquers all" and "you'll find someone for you". I know enough about biology and psychology to know those concepts are made up bs. We really are just a bunch of monkeys, and it seems like we all act the part as well.

[CHANDLERS WISH]

Some women suffer from a tilted uterus not all the time but it happens, the pain is un-believable.

Some women want such a beautiful bond, but, he, is only after himself and has absolutely no idea what so ever about a woman, consequently hurts her, at size 5,6,7, doesn't matter.

Men that watch porn as a way of establishing how a woman works is not doing himself a favour, she is an actor, she is making money and she is an actor.

You say you are confused. Yes you are. You think you should stop caring and be one of those guys, that hurts a woman emotionally or sexually. You think by lengthening him if that is actually possible is the key?

Denial. You are sick to your stomach of hearing love conquers all because actually it does.

If you know psychology you would know that all the love in the world and knowledge of a woman's body, how we are all different in our needs, wants, but ultimately we want sensual, sexual, horny, love.. All of it, an experienced man who makes us love ourselves, feel comfortable in our own skin, believe him and give, and get back...

You need to start researching on women, not size...

If you feel like you are acting like a monkey you probably are. Cave men comes to mind. Yet you are against that.

I get this feeling that you are fighting the reality, seeing some stuff here but in denial and not wanting to recognise it.

It's time you did.

[Obelisk]

Ok let me deal with your comments piece by piece:

Some women suffer from a tilted uterus not all the time but it happens, the pain is un-believable.

I believe you. Not sure what this has to do with penis size though. If you mean that too big hurts most women, yes I believe that. However, what's the percentage of women that feel pain and the percentage that actually like that stimulation? Going by the anecdotal evidence I've seen online, it seems that for a lot of women, even if there's some pain, for some weird reason they associate it with pleasure and learn to like it.

Some women want such a beautiful bond, but, he, is only after himself and has absolutely no idea what so ever about a woman, consequently hurts her, at size 5,6,7, doesn't matter.

This was true when I was in my 20's. It seems most girls I met with were genuinely looking for a good man. A couple admitted to be virgins, which I was too at the time. The ones I've talked to in my 30's have already been around the block. A woman with 10 previous partners is not unusual. In some cases even more. I find it hard to believe that out of so many guys, they couldn't find a good one. I think that most guys that work to look attractive to women are the ones that typically won't care about her feelings. But the women were attracted physically to them and got used.

Men that watch porn as a way of establishing how a woman works is not doing himself a favour, she is an actor, she is making money and she is an actor.

Maybe for other men. Porn really does not affect me at all. What does affect me is reading that practically every woman who have been with more than 5 guys claims to have had a really large one. I believe this because the guys who are larger are most likely to have the self confidence to chase after women for their own benefit. The smaller guys are afraid to even bother. And finding a woman who hasn't had many partners is a pretty daunting task nowadays.

You say you are confused. Yes you are. You think you should stop caring and be one of those guys, that hurts a woman emotionally or sexually. You think by lengthening him if that is actually possible is the key?

No I don't want to become uncaring. I do feel cheated that a woman will never be able to enjoy herself with whatever I got because I will always be compared to the other dudes in her past. I have to "work" at being some Don Juan just to be able to rise above the others. So even if size isn't a factor, why do I have to compete at all? I don't think lengthening my tool is the sole key to finding self confidence for myself, but like everything else, it's a part of the puzzle. I can work out and get bigger muscles. I can lose fat and be toned and buff. Now I can work on making my member larger. I'm already seeing results. Why do I do this? Why do other guys do it? We have no choice. Most women nowadays have a long sexual history, and we have to become better than her past lovers.

Denial. You are sick to your stomach of hearing love conquers all because actually it does.

I believe that it's just chemicals in our brains. I remember a coworker from a previous job would find "the love of his life" and they'd date for a few months, then break up for some reason and he'd find another woman that was "the love of his life", and so on and so forth.

So how can someone be "the love of your life" until they are not, and then the next person is "the love of your life" until they are not.

In a way we are like dogs. If the dog has a master that gives it what it wants/needs (food, shelter, affection) that dog is likely to be loyal to its master. If the master turns out to be bad, and stops giving the dog what it needs, the dog will get depressed. Assuming the dog gets taken away and given to another person who goes on to treat the dog well again, that dog is eventually likely to be loyal to that new master.

There's nothing special about love. It's simply our brains getting attached to someone who is "providing" our physical and psychological needs.

If you know psychology you would know that all the love in the world and knowledge of a woman's body, how we are all different in our needs, wants, but ultimately we want sensual, sexual, horny, love.. All of it, an experienced man who makes us love ourselves, feel comfortable in our own skin, believe him and give, and get back...

I believe women are easily tricked into dating men who just want to take. I really don't know how to fix that. I do think women should reserve sleeping with guys until they get to know them better. Nowadays, the first date is usually the first time new couples have sex.

What I have seen is that there's a novelty factor in the way women judge a man. The first couple of months they love their new guy. Once the novelty has worn down, another guy comes in a swoops her off her feet again, and this cycle is repeated until you get women who feel they have been used for years.

You need to start researching on women, not size...

I go by what you do, not what you say.

If you feel like you are acting like a monkey you probably are. Cave men comes to mind. Yet you are against that.

I do feel like all of us have been basically reduced to primal instincts in our society. So yes I feel like a caveman, competing against over cavemen.

I get this feeling that you are fighting the reality, seeing some stuff here but in denial and not wanting to recognise it.

It's time you did.

The reality is that most women at my age have been with a lot of men prior to me. I didn't realize this was going to happen until I actually started to become sexually active. I don't feel like I should even have to compete against past lovers on anything, the size of my tool, my body type, or my personality. So yeah I guess I've become jaded and cold. At least more now than I used to be. I'm honestly considering just completely taking myself off the dating market. I have nothing to offer a woman anymore. I can't, and won't have kids. I won't waste my money on family life, a mortgage, the regular family stuff. I don't want to feel like I'm "saving" a woman from all her bad past experiences. I'm honestly considering just frequenting escorts (it's legal here in Canada) and calling it a day.

[rcoreyus]

Most women have met lots of men. Some will have been funnier than you, or smarter, or taller, or wealthier, or more attractive, or stronger. A woman who tries to find a single man who is the best at everything is going to be continually disappointed. The key is that people need to avoid "checklists" and comparisons - they need to find someone who makes them happy. The same applies to you - you need to find a woman that you enjoy being with.

I think it would help to stop thinking about relationships in terms of sex. Sex is an important part, but only one part of being happy with someone.


Nothing wrong with escorts if all you want is sex - its certainly the easiest way to go. Personally though I don't really see the point, your hand is even easier and quicker and at least its owner has some good feelings about you.

[Obelisk]

Nothing wrong with escorts if all you want is sex - its certainly the easiest way to go. Personally though I don't really see the point, your hand is even easier and quicker and at least its owner has some good feelings about you.

lol!! good point man. I'm surprised that my hand and an actual woman are not really that much different. I think I could live with just my hand. And yes unfortunately I have become so jaded that I don't see any value of a relationship for me other than satisfying this blasted sex drive I never asked for. The escort route has scared me because of the std's, but here that business is far more regulated than in other countries like the US, and from what I've seen they are really careful to stay clean.

[Stillness]

Obelisk, you missed my point. I don't know how long and thick my penis is for the same reason I don't know how long my wife's vagina (or any woman I've been with) is. It doesn't matter. I barely know my wife's cup size. I found out a few years ago that it had changed from when we were younger when I was looking at bras with her.

So this world you live in where penis length, cup size, and these numbers you apply to people's "hotness" is important is not the one me or many others reside in.

[Obelisk]

Obelisk, you missed my point. I don't know how long and thick my penis is for the same reason I don't know how long my wife's vagina (or any woman I've been with) is. It doesn't matter. I barely know my wife's cup size. I found out a few years ago that it had changed from when we were younger when I was looking at bras with her.

So this world you live in where penis length, cup size, and these numbers you apply to people's "hotness" is important is not the one me or many others reside in.

I'm honestly not sure how to answer your question man. I actually deleted a whole bunch of stuff I was going to write, but what's the point? If you found the woman that makes you happy I'm glad for you. The only way for that to happen to me is to pretend looks don't matter, and I can't do that because I know better. It's true that personality can trump looks, but that is humiliating for me, to have to "win" a girl on my personality.

[CHANDLERS WISH]

It's true that personality can trump looks, but that is humiliating for me, to have to "win" a girl on my personality

Sounds more like fear. Anyone that I have become serious with in my life, won me over their personality...

[Obelisk]

Sounds more like fear. Anyone that I have become serious with in my life, won me over their personality...

No I wouldn't say it's fear really. Not in my case. My only fear is to be compared physically to other men and being found lacking. It's not acceptable to me that my "personality" can make up for physical shortcomings, that's all. "Personality" is such a nebulous concept to me, I don't subscribe to that simplistic philosophy.

Have you ever heard of the ladder theory?

[CHANDLERS WISH]

Ok let me deal with your comments piece by piece:




I believe you. Not sure what this has to do with penis size though. If you mean that too big hurts most women, yes I believe that. However, what's the percentage of women that feel pain and the percentage that actually like that stimulation? Going by the anecdotal evidence I've seen online, it seems that for a lot of women, even if there's some pain, for some weird reason they associate it with pleasure and learn to like it.

Let me ask you a question. Have you ever bought a woman to climax with your mouth, fingers and not your member? In addition, raw experience, real experience gives you a personal answer not trying to gain evidence from the internet. Small amount of pain for what ever reason is pleasurable, not huge pain.

This was true when I was in my 20's. It seems most girls I met with were genuinely looking for a good man. A couple admitted to be virgins, which I was too at the time. The ones I've talked to in my 30's have already been around the block. A woman with 10 previous partners is not unusual. In some cases even more. I find it hard to believe that out of so many guys, they couldn't find a good one. I think that most guys that work to look attractive to women are the ones that typically won't care about her feelings. But the women were attracted physically to them and got used.
Whether you are a virgin in your 20's or not is a matter of choice. You were bullied, felt out of place, too short, too fat, a nerd, why is it so hard to believe that a lot of women who were searching for a "bond" I never said good guy, I said bond, couldn't find the "right guy"? So many see red flags but go with it anyway in hope that they have a great relationship, only to find out they were used, or cheated on, or be-littled.. And, so the pattern continues until someone enters their life for them, not their looks, not their bust size, not based on their sexual history but for them, then, they have found the right partner.


Maybe for other men. Porn really does not affect me at all. What does affect me is reading that practically every woman who have been with more than 5 guys claims to have had a really large one. I believe this because the guys who are larger are most likely to have the self confidence to chase after women for their own benefit. The smaller guys are afraid to even bother. And finding a woman who hasn't had many partners is a pretty daunting task nowadays.Ok, you really have to stop reading and start learning / participating, words are words, some are telling the truth but some more than likely are not. Confidence doesn't just come from having a larger penis, granted there are definitely guys out there that do have a larger penis and are as cocky as. Bet they are still single or Divorced by 40.. Women are sex objects to them. The smaller guys are not afraid, at all. Where are you getting that from? Yourself? Confidence is confidence I know a lot of short guys, they may have been smaller, or average and they are full of confidence. Confidence has nothing to do with the size of someone's penis. Other than maybe confidence in the act as they have had the practice..



No I don't want to become uncaring. I do feel cheated that a woman will never be able to enjoy herself with whatever I got because I will always be compared to the other dudes in her past. I have to "work" at being some Don Juan just to be able to rise above the others. So even if size isn't a factor, why do I have to compete at all? I don't think lengthening my tool is the sole key to finding self confidence for myself, but like everything else, it's a part of the puzzle. I can work out and get bigger muscles. I can lose fat and be toned and buff. Now I can work on making my member larger. I'm already seeing results. Why do I do this? Why do other guys do it? We have no choice. Most women nowadays have a long sexual history, and we have to become better than her past lovers.

Physcologically you have it in your mind that you have to lengthen it when you are a good size as it is. Like I said confidence does not come from the penis, you want confidence? Go out there and learn how to be confident, you want to please a woman ? Go out there and learn how to please a woman with all aspects of love making.. And, stop feeling sorry for yourself. Why wouldn't you want to love someone so much and have her love you so much because you saved her from the carp out there in the World. Money is the route of all evil as well. I kinda feel you have an in-built hate in a way for women you know? They seem to me to be a thorn in your side. Do you realise in this World that we live in today, there is such a huge percentage of women that are earning more than men, that stand on their own two feet, or contribute half the income. Your views on the picket fence is not a fair call.



I believe that it's just chemicals in our brains. I remember a coworker from a previous job would find "the love of his life" and they'd date for a few months, then break up for some reason and he'd find another woman that was "the love of his life", and so on and so forth.

So how can someone be "the love of your life" until they are not, and then the next person is "the love of your life" until they are not.

Maybe they are wired to fall in love, do fall in love and then out of love because the "lust period is over", and so go again. It only means that they don't know what the true word Love means.


In a way we are like dogs. If the dog has a master that gives it what it wants/needs (food, shelter, affection) that dog is likely to be loyal to its master. If the master turns out to be bad, and stops giving the dog what it needs, the dog will get depressed. Assuming the dog gets taken away and given to another person who goes on to treat the dog well again, that dog is eventually likely to be loyal to that new master.

There's nothing special about love. It's simply our brains getting attached to someone who is "providing" our physical and psychological needs.

You are talking of yourself, not me, not a lot of the members here. There is no master, relationships are equality. Relationships though are about providing emotional, physical, spiritual togetherness.



I believe women are easily tricked into dating men who just want to take. I really don't know how to fix that. I do think women should reserve sleeping with guys until they get to know them better. Nowadays, the first date is usually the first time new couples have sex.

What I have seen is that there's a novelty factor in the way women judge a man. The first couple of months they love their new guy. Once the novelty has worn down, another guy comes in a swoops her off her feet again, and this cycle is repeated until you get women who feel they have been used for years.

You just spoke of a guy in the same breath. People settle. It's that simple. And, they realise that they are not compatible or they do not have intercourse, eventually do and are not compatible, there is no bond..




I go by what you do, not what you say.



I do feel like all of us have been basically reduced to primal instincts in our society. So yes I feel like a caveman, competing against over cavemen.



The reality is that most women at my age have been with a lot of men prior to me. I didn't realize this was going to happen until I actually started to become sexually active. I don't feel like I should even have to compete against past lovers on anything, the size of my tool, my body type, or my personality. So yeah I guess I've become jaded and cold. At least more now than I used to be. I'm honestly considering just completely taking myself off the dating market. I have nothing to offer a woman anymore. I can't, and won't have kids. I won't waste my money on family life, a mortgage, the regular family stuff. I don't want to feel like I'm "saving" a woman from all her bad past experiences. I'm honestly considering just frequenting escorts (it's legal here in Canada) and calling it a day.

You don't have to compete with anyone. You have a lady, you didn't compete for her did you . And, if you don't have a mortgage you are in my opinion a fool meant in the correct format. Equity helps you in your retirement, without it, you will live poor on a pension. Is your life that bad that you ensure no one can enter it completely? There is a heart there, if you can find it.. And give it.