[ItsASecret]

when I follow your instructors, I find a different graph.

I found it. Type "human penis size" into wiki. The first graph on the right that had a title of "Distribution of Lifestyle Penis Length Data"...click on that. The new page that appears will have a summary box provided. In the source line it will say "Based on en:Image:Penis frequency.jpg, redrawn in Gnumeric and exported to SVG." If you click on the jpg. link provided in that sentence it will give you the graph she is talking about. The same graph has been adapted into a different linear format, a curved line graph. The one on the first wiki page is in a more rigid linear format because it is easier to read with the cut offs in that format, the one BD had provided is simply a curved line graph. It is simply easier to see relationships of the same data with a more rigid line format rather than trying to estimate the same data with a curved line graph. I personally hate curved line graphs when reading my research papers, bar graphs are the way to go lol much easier to see the cut offs.

I think there's a bottom line here, that corporate media is selling us a culture that we don't have to accept. and anybody who's willing to look another person in the eye and say "your penis is [boobs are] too small" is probably pretty insecure - blaming their own deficiency on another person. .

I agree with you on corporate media sellng us image and agree that a person who things that a penis or boobs are too small are insecure.

With that said, I also agree we should enjoy sex, regadless of size ot the other persons sexual attributes.

I am out of here related to a Thanksgiving break. I am glad we agreed on somethng before I travel, Little

My graph CAME FROM that EXACT SAME article. Scroll down to the first graphic on the right. Click on it. Scroll down on the graph info site and you will see:

The .jpg in question is the same I posted. You attacked my graph because it came from me, not because it "doesn't jive" with scientific studies. You extolled the virtue of the EXACT SAME findings later in your post. What gives???
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Little:

In all honesty, when I follow your instructors, I find a different graph. Lets make sure we are communicating about the same website. Are you refering to the first graph to the right at wikipedia under the term search "human penis size'? Again, when I scroll down and click on the first graph, it is different from the one you provided, and your graph suggest a larger size average. I would provide the link , but I beleive the website rules do not allow this.

[Little]

I think there's a bottom line here, that corporate media is selling us a culture that we don't have to accept. It's NOT EASY to resist accepting that culture - most of the people around us are buying in with no question. Whether we are buying into the idea that every woman should be a size zero with ta-ta's the size of watermelons, or the idea that every man's penis should be the size of two coke cans stacked one on the other ... whether we're buying the idea that dinner at Logan's is cheaper than dinner at home, or that cow's milk is better than human milk to feed our babies ... we're doing it because somebody wanted to make a little cash, and decided it was okay to manipulate us to make it.
But manipulation or no, we're responsible for our individual buy-ins. We're responsible for our insecurities. We're also responsible for SEEING THROUGH the insecurities of others - and anybody who's willing to look another person in the eye and say "your penis is [boobs are] too small" is probably pretty insecure - blaming their own deficiency on another person. But we've all got our insecurities, and you can't just explain them away. You either work through them or you suffer with them.
And I refuse to suffer with them - and certainly refuse to suffer from someone else's buy-in and insecurities. I don't want to live my life without darn good sex, because for all I know I'm on the last life cycle and heading straight to Nirvana after this with no do-over Not letting anybody pooh-pooh that idea means a better life for me. Rejecting people with kindness and courtesy if they don't live up to those requirements means a better life for THEM. I want each person to search out their personal best match, not ask other people to follow my rules.

[Little]

your graph – which does not jive with scientific studies by the way

I think the best public site is Wikipedia under the term “human penis size.” It lists a variety scientific study

My graph CAME FROM that EXACT SAME article. Scroll down to the first graphic on the right. Click on it. Scroll down on the graph info site and you will see:

({{Information |Description=Distribution of penis length in inches. |Source=Based on en:Image:Penis frequency.jpg, redrawn in Gnumeric and exported to SVG. |Date=2007-10-07 |Author=en:User:Keenan Pepper }} )

The .jpg in question is the same I posted. You attacked my graph because it came from me, not because it "doesn't jive" with scientific studies. You extolled the virtue of the EXACT SAME findings later in your post. What gives???

[CHANDLERS WISH]

Troop, they splatter size 0 women all over the TV and in Magazines too and make young girls, "think" that, that is what boys want, the in thing... So these girls diet, starve themselves to fit into that size, are un-healthy, un-happy, feel sick. Only for the next fad to come in, it's not cool, all the Models, actresses start eating, had enough, been warned by their Doctors and bam now it's cool to carry weight...

Social media is there for one reason and one reason only, marketing.. SELLING, making money.

Tell yourself that and again, I reuterate, MIND over MATTER... Why would I, a grown women tell you that my best oral experience made me jump the bones of a guy, that was in his mind small in a wild animal style I might add, shocked the shirt out of him... To make you see that it is who you date, you have to change that pattern of the "type" you seek, the egotistical, materialistic, person.

You know we are all different, see a pattern, look further within... Type...You are choosing a type and that type is not caring at all in getting to know you for you, inside...That is what love is...

[CHANDLERS WISH]

CW:

I do not have the time to reply at length -- maybe I can tomorrow to your post and others. But can in explain what I quoted above? I am not understanding what you sayng. Sorry.

Having sons and a daughter has helped me realize how harmful my past behaviors – which is viewed as normative male behavior – have been in thinking bigger was better.

If a male thinks bigger is better and he is big and he states that his past behaviour was harmful, the only conclusion that can be had is ego over that size and harmful equates to "hurting" someone, yourself or "women".

[maleview]

I am not sure how John Holmes and trick photography works into it but i would say to Troop that just as there are women who prefer a larger man there are also women who would prefer smaller. Go find her and have fun!

Let me just make a few quick comments before I disappear for a week of traveling.

Little:

Despite your graph – which does not jive with scientific studies by the way – I still think your specific comments were callous (please note I am referring to your specific comments to Troop and am not making character or universal attributes and in other areas your comments are wise, educational, and kind). We simply have differing views on this subject, and my view aligns with the sound wisdom that CW gave – which is that mind over matter is key in life and I think with the right attitude you can conquer perceived needs. I’m an old-fashion romantic that believes you fall in love with the personality of the person and then you can change attitudinal barriers to other aspects of a relationship. I really think the world would be a batter place if we could learn to see the inner qualities of people and I flat out respectfully disagree that any women “needs” a certain size for a relationship to bud or that a man needs a certain breast size. We just disagree and I am glad you are not going to use the ban hammer because I simply have a difference of an opinion.

Troop:

I agree with you that comments about a larger penis being superior are everywhere in society. Just the other night my wife and I watched a fun comedy and out of nowhere are comments about the advantages of a man with a bigger penis. As I visit the different threads on this website – they are everywhere, despite women who make them saying otherwise. So, I can empathies and will make two suggestions.

First, may I ask what your age is? The reason I ask is that I have come to believe that as people get older – as a general rule (but not always) – they become more mature. A well know psychologist by the name of Dr. Hauser created a model of human development and in early stages (which you usually see in adolescents, but there can be 50 plus year olds who are stuck in a young adult stage of development). Those people in the immature stages respond to other with self-involvement and those in the latter stages learn to make personal changes to accommodate others. Sadly, Troop, there are going to be some women who are in the immature stages of ego develop that will be more focused on their own sexual desires rather than learning to change their own attitudes to accommodate and respect others. Fallen’s advice is sound – do not seek such women out; rather find a woman who cares about your personality (a women of higher ego development) – and there are more women that are in the stages of higher development than lower development. And I honestly think that in general, more women than men are in the higher stages of ego development and then try to be that type of man, knowing that you will find some women in the lower stages of ego development.

Second, you need accurate information regarding the size of a penis. I think the best public site is Wikipedia under the term “human penis size.” It lists a variety scientific study in which men are randomly selected and average is 5-5.5 inches long and 4.5 inches in girth. Larger is truly around six inches long and 5 inches wide. Further, something like 90-95% of men are between the sizes of 5-6 inches in length and 4.5-5 inches in girth. People who claim they are longer or bigger are either (1) not measuring it in a standardized scientific manner (e.g., putting a ruler against the public bone above or to the side will give a different measurement of one to two inches) or are simply making things up, sometime believing their own made up version of measurement. In the age of the intent, everyone claims to have a larger penis. Comments in movies are done to catch people attention and the pornography industry has used media tricks forever. For example, the pornography industry for years claimed that Johnny Holmes had the longest penis, claiming it was 10 inches long and Johnny Holmes personally claimed it was 15 inches long. He even has an ex-girlfriends testimony who claimed she measured it. It is well known that the pornography industry used trick shooting and constantly had him engage in intercourse with smaller women so that it made him look larger than what he was. Yet, there never was an independent verification of his size, even when requested, he would not let others measure it and the porno-industry protected him in this area. . As long as the porno industry can keep this myth alive, people will want to watch and people will see things that are fake and actually begin to believe them, and then make things up like the size of their boyfriends. When you compare what people say – friends to friends or website comments –to real scientific research and it does not hold water. And in my mind, standardized scientific measurements in which men have been randomly selected are the only true way to know size. So, even if you measure and it seems smaller, make sure you are comparing to real scientific size, not to what any yahoo or dupe posts on a website or a fake script in a movie show or a product trying to sell some type of technique to help develop a larger penis.

I hope this helps, Troop.

[Little]

BugSauce - It's nice to see a new face with a positive attitude, but I think maybe your doctor is a little quacky. Though there may be fewer nerve endings in the latter portion of the vagina, they aren't altogether missing. If they were, it would be simply numb. There's even at least one erogenous zone back there: the A-spot or Anterior fornix erogenous zone.