[Lady Syrinx]

If your wife/girlfriend was insecure about having small boobs what would you say to her? Probably "I love you just how you are" which, if you really do love her then you wouldn't want to change her. She will feel the same way about you and your size.

Love doesn't really fit the equation though. Love is a system that allows us to accept others despite their flaws. So, in what I consider to be a "primal" instinct, love has nothing to do with it.

So I believe it's unfair for women to come in and say "size doesn't matter" because what you really mean is "Even if you're smaller than I'd like, my love for you forgives that". If we take "love" out of the equation, the answer we get is the one that actually gets us somewhere.

Now I do believe for women, that answer will vary greatly. If you're a larger woman with bigger hips, it's likely that a penis in the 9" range will fit well.

If you're a tiny woman, probably anything bigger than 6" will start to hurt.

So when a woman says that bigger than 6" or 7" starts hurting, I believe it. She may have a really small vaginal canal.

But a woman used to 9"+ going to a guy who's 4", no way you can make me believe that size difference is not going to affect you.

In my personal case, I don't really worry about my size as much as finding a woman who is smaller also, so we can fit better.

But in a general sense, women who have been with large men that then say size doesn't matter, is exactly like a really buff bodybuilder guy who gets insane female attention, to tell a little guy who's never lifted in his life "It's not my muscles man, it's my confidence". Everyone knows that's a lie. Confidence does matter, but it al works together.

Would you prefer a confident man who has a huge pot belly? Or a confident man who is toned and fit with a flat stomach and washboard abs?

Would you prefer a fit guy who is short? or one who is tall?

Would you prefer a tall fit guy with confidence and a 4" penis, or a tall fit confident guy with an 8" penis?

I'm just sick of women lying because they think they are protecting a man's ego. I would rather know if my partner is not happy uwith my size than have her pretend she is.

Ok, I will concede that the sex drive itself is primal. But compareing penis size to other "flaws" that you may overlook in someone you love doesn`t quite wash for me. That implies that women generally view an average sized penis as a flaw. It`s simply an accident of genetics. I don`t think penis size matters to women as much as men think it does. As far as studies on the subject, I take all studies with a grain of salt. After all, "There are lies, **** lies and statistics."

[a_dub]

Not true. My husband can go all the way in. Actually, the length of a woman inside depends on how turned on she is and as well as where she is in her monthly cycle.

This has always amazed me. While the volume of a vagina is subject to what is inside it, the volume of a woman's pelvis/abdomen/thorax is a constant. For a 10 inch penis to fit, other things have to move out of the way, namely uterus, and possible the bladder as well. The thing is that the uterus is just under the diaphragm, which is itself just under the lungs. So if the uterus moves up, it runs into the diaphragm. It might have a couple of inches to spare, but 10 inches is really a lot. Similarly the uterus can't move forward because the bladder is there. It can't move backwards because you have section of bowel, pancreas, kidneys, and other things back there.

It truly is pretty wonderous.

[Stillness]

I don`t think penis size matters to women as much as men think it does. As far as studies on the subject, I take all studies with a grain of salt.

This is actually what the studies say. It's what everyone here has been saying. It matters if it causes problems. It matters a lot to a minority of women. But it matters the most to men.

I love my penis. I don't know how great it is in size compared to other people, but I know it does great things for me.

[jns]

While the volume of a vagina is subject to what is inside it, the volume of a woman's pelvis/abdomen/thorax is a constant. For a 10 inch penis to fit, other things have to move out of the way, namely uterus, and possible the bladder as well. The thing is that the uterus is just under the diaphragm, which is itself just under the lungs. So if the uterus moves up, it runs into the diaphragm. It might have a couple of inches to spare, but 10 inches is really a lot. Similarly the uterus can't move forward because the bladder is there. It can't move backwards because you have section of bowel, pancreas, kidneys, and other things back there.

It truly is pretty wonderous.

What is as equally interesting is that the tongue usually doesn't stick far out of the mouth, but it has great ability to bring a woman to orgasm if properly used. It doesn't go in very far when putting it in a vagina, but that is not usually a problem because the most sensitive spot, the clitoris, is on the outside. I suppose there are some women who look for guys whose tongues stick out much greater than the average of about 3 cm. Most women are probably much happier when the guy they are with will use what he has got instead of spending their time admiring his tongue's length. I wasn't able to find much out about micro-tongues and any problems they may create. Not surprisingly, some people, mostly guys, are into researching tongue lengthening techniques.

[BabyGirl]

Sometimes I just shake my head, in Laughter and in Wonder,of just how many " Penis Size " threads there are on here and other places.

To Obelisk,
I feel for you..For you having this " Complex ".
Maybe if you think of it this way...

Say you are your well built/ noticed Physique,Handsome, Loving, Average or just over or under Height and Weight of Average males.

You are Loved by your Woman ,Your Family, Friends.You have a good Life, things are good all around....
Except .....

You are in a Wheelchair ,"Dead from the Waist Down ".
In what way does your Penis Size fit in ?
Will it make you less a Man ?
Will those who Love you care one bit what size your Penis is ?

And then one must Remember that as you age your Penis will " Shrink " and your Balls will Sag . I took care of a Man ( a Stepfather ) he was 86, dying and needed Bathing.. I could Barely find his Penis to clean it, it was not much Bigger in length that a New Born babies is . His balls were easier to clean, being they were Stretched and Saggy. He was a Good man, fathered 7 children.

I think his Penis size was not an Issue, how he was as a Man was. He did,after all have 4 wives,one being my " Mom "..

It is Just that, people don't think of the All around Person anymore. They Judge themselves and others by Size and by " Average Sizes ".. It's time to start being happy with what we have... And Loving Whole People, not just Parts of People..

[Obelisk]

jns I did laugh at your little bit of satire there.

In the end it doesn't matter. The penis primarily is what defines a man physically. We worry about it I guess because we feel lesser men if we have smaller.

The tongue on the other hand does not have that stigma attached to it.

No one on this planet will ever make me believe that a woman who has had a large one (again, defining large as 8"+) and was able to fit it inside her, and eventually ends up with another guy that only has 4" that she will not register this change at all. Someone on this thread said something about "baseball bat bill" and "little willie"
It's ironic she was on the "size doesn't matter" horse, but reading between the lines (calling it "little willie" because you know, it's so cute, it will tickle ) clearly it was easy to tell that she would be somewhat disappointed with the size and would wait to see what "little willie" could do (see if the man can make up for his deficiency with his "technique")

Keep in mind I'm using extreme cases here. I really don't know how many guys really are bigger than 7". It seems women run into them quite often from what I read. I'm just glad I'm at least in the 5" range (closer to 6" now, hopefully 7" soon). I feel really bad for the guys who are really small, like 3". They really got a turd sandwich in life.

[Lady Syrinx]

I don`t think penis size matters to women as much as men think it does. As far as studies on the subject, I take all studies with a grain of salt.

This is actually what the studies say. It's what everyone here has been saying. It matters if it causes problems. It matters a lot to a minority of women. But it matters the most to men.

I love my penis. I don't know how great it is in size compared to other people, but I know it does great things for me.

The problem that people are looking at size as the ONLY factor in sexual pleasure. Like most things in life, there are intangibles that contribute to it as well. As illogical as it may seem things like love do play role. I`m sure that a woman could be with a larger guy for a one night stand and could have very little pleasure. Put the same woman with an average sized guy that she is in a long-term relationship with and the sex could be very pleasurable.

[CHANDLERS WISH]

What is as equally interesting is that the tongue usually doesn't stick far out of the mouth, but it has great ability to bring a woman to orgasm if properly used. It doesn't go in very far when putting it in a vagina, but that is not usually a problem because the most sensitive spot, the clitoris, is on the outside. I suppose there are some women who look for guys whose tongues stick out much greater than the average of about 3 cm. Most women are probably much happier when the guy they are with will use what he has got instead of spending their time admiring his tongue's length. I wasn't able to find much out about micro-tongues and any problems they may create. Not surprisingly, some people, mostly guys, are into researching tongue lengthening techniques.

That post reminded me of the bank "Kiss"

[HisGirl]

I love my penis. I don't know how great it is in size compared to other people, but I know it does great things for me.

You rock!!

[Obelisk]

I think the fundamental problem is that so many men still think sex is one and the same as penetration - and this is still the dominant portrayal of sex, i.e. 3 minute Hollywood sex- and in this framework penis size seems,

In my case this is not the problem at all.

Believe me I totally understand that for most women, simple penetration will not get them off, even if it's an 11" snake.

But, I do believe that the size has a psychological effect on the woman. I also don't think most women would prefer 9-10" anyway. I'm sure most would consider around 7" to be adequate.

The problem is that below 7" is considered small, so guys smaller than 7" automatically register as deficient, particularly to a woman who previously had a larger than average johnson.

I'm just talking in general here. I know other factors usually come into play. Frankly I'm mentally exhausted of even having to think about it. I'm just thankful that there really are ways to increase the size. I wish I would have known 5 years ago, I might have the 7" I want now instead of just beginning that journey.