[Stillness]

Also, I'm just wondering why there are never discussions about the size of men's balls?!

Maybe I'm in the minority on this one, but I actually care more about the size of the balls than the penis.

At the risk of extending the discussions on one of the tedious penis threads, this is one of the most interesting things I've ever read on this site and I'd like to hear more.

I don't understand female attraction to men. My wife has told me that she likes the way they hit her when we make love, so I can understand from that standpoint. But it sounds like you're speaking of visual appreciation?

I've always thought that because the scrotum is masculine that women should be attracted to it. But at the same time I don't necessarily find the labia that attractive and that is the corresponding feminine feature. I really like them, but the enticement is more in the smell and function. It only looks good because of what I know it does, I think. It's not like the female form or facial features which are beautiful from a physical perspective and very attractive to me.

Can you talk about why you care about the size of the balls, please?

[jns]

I've always thought that because the scrotum is masculine that women should be attracted to it. But at the same time I don't necessarily find the labia that attractive and that is the corresponding feminine feature. I really like them, but the enticement is more in the smell and function. It only looks good because of what I know it does, I think. It's not like the female form or facial features which are beautiful from a physical perspective and very attractive to me.

Stillness, unlike you I find labia and clitorises fascinating in size, shape, coloring, response to teasing, etc. Of course, the reaction of the woman from the teasing and stimulation is part of the equation. And the scent and function also play a part. I believe some women have a similar fascination of the testes and the scrotum of a guy.

[Lady Syrinx]

Just love the inside, it will show on the outside, confidence is everything and the right woman, wouldn't be going out with you for that reason.. Based on all you are reading here of "women" some may deliberately not go out with you as it's not as good as it's cracked up to be, that being what you men think that we think..

We're fighting an uphill battle. The size matters crowd has a counter-argument for everything we say. The war continues.

[Stillness]

I believe some women have a similar fascination of the testes and the scrotum of a guy.

I've not heard much about this. When I ask my wife she only tells me what I repeated in my above post.

[Stillness]

We're fighting an uphill battle. The size matters crowd has a counter-argument for everything we say. The war continues.

Obelisk has already admitted that he's unapologetically shallow and that the physical has been the most important things in his relationships. I think it's cool that he's honest with himself and with us about that. But I do think it's pointless to try to reason with someone with that disposition that there's much more to life. They change on their own if they want to.

There are just too many shallow people that I'm intimately acquainted with to waste energy there. You just run yourself silly trying to understand them and get them to come around. It's better just to love them as they are and let them be, in my experience.

[SFlare]

* CHANDLERS Thanks for the response. I'll add that maybe this may be tedious for you and others, but it can be a real anxiety thing for men like me, and so i really appreciate you're patience, reading here definately helps, for me anyway.

[Obelisk]

Obelisk has already admitted that he's unapologetically shallow and that the physical has been the most important things in his relationships. I think it's cool that he's honest with himself and with us about that. But I do think it's pointless to try to reason with someone with that disposition that there's much more to life. They change on their own if they want to.

You're right man, I won't lie about it. It started when women showed me they only cared about the shallow stuff. I agree not all women are shallow, but those tend to be the ones that don't look as pretty as the shallower ones. From my experience, the hotter the woman is, the more shallow she is.

[SFlare]

**CHANDLERS I like your view that my size would filter out women who are chasing a fantasy from those who want me for me. Men like me have been put down so much in the media, sitcoms, personally, its hard to think of myself as ideal in the face of HUGE expectations. Some even love to say the only women who would view as ideal just never had a big one or have partner with small one. Anyway, thanks for this space, and the opportunity to express my feelings.

[jns]

SFlare, you seem well adjusted. A little extra length would maybe help, especially for your self doubts, but I suspect you have a good personality and that gives you an advantage. I was shy when I was younger and missed a lot of opportunities.

[SFlare]

**jns Thanks. Yeah, more length, maybe more girth as well would help. But how? Oh well, ever all, i'm glad it's average, if CHANDLERS is correct about that, and in good healthy working order. Hopefully enough to get the job done for the average woman. Perhaps not aesthetically pleasing. Especially compared to a big one. But it can be a sensitive issue, and more women seem more unabashed in the preference for big. And nothing can crush my sexual confidence and self-esteem as being called small, or just made to feel that one.