[Lady Syrinx]

I guess I just wish that I could be with a woman that doesn't have a memory of the 9" cocks she's had, and how good they felt

I've had an 8" penis and I prefer the average 6-6.5". It's much more comfortable. You'll find threads on here of women or men complaining they have trouble having sex because their penis is big. It takes a lot of effort to get aroused enough it will go in smoothly and often we had to get out the lubricant. Then the guy has to be careful not to slam in to the cervix too hard. I spent a lot of time explaining angles of penetration and shifting my hips during sex to avoid bruising my cervix.

Again, here I come to destroy the curve! I`ve never had any problems with my husband`s size. No pain, not uncomfortable. Guess I`m just freakishly lucky.

[CHANDLERS WISH]

Like I said, when you get it, you get it.

You dissect yet, I was making a statement.

Ignoring the comment about playing around, when you say "superficial" women, what you are really trying to say is "women who realize they have to sacrifice a physical attribute in a man to get the mental attributes they need from him". This would describe a "non superficial woman".

Why ignore the comment about playing around? We live in an equal World, right? Why is it that we can not be assertive that we have to have limited partners, not have a one night stand? We have a right to be who we want to be, just as much as you men do. That is not what I am "really" trying to say at all. He was on a dating site, his profile showed him looking out onto the sea, he stated he owned an apartment was retired, 40. And, he was a good looking guy. The "younger" girls tried to snag him, because they thought he was a millionaire based on his profile, superficial. Prepared to date him for material gain.

My entire argument is that a woman who has had large men (let's say over 8") would not see a man with only 4" as "exactly the same". There will ALWAYS be some dissapointment factor. You might get used to it because the man might have other attributes like the so sought after "personality" that you are willing to deal with it. Some women can do it better than others

Look. There are not many men 8 inches or more, simply there is not. For sure a woman who has had a few partners has had different sizes, or simular sizes that's a given. But you are googling what you want to read. That being women who like 8 inches or more you have no idea what the truth is because anyone can write what ever they want. You have read here over and over, by a good portion that they do NOT like 8 inches or more, it's a waste, doesn't fit in, hurts, etc, etc. You have read, where the best orgasm came from intimacy, not his size. You do know women accommodate a man's penis adjusts what ever the size and therefore feels it. Providing the man knows how to make love and that's what you don't want to listen to. You expect it to be thy penis that makes her say OMG... That's the down fall..

Now let's deal with your "playing around comment". I agree that men primarily have been the "playas". I hate them all for having done that. Unfortunately human nature has caused some weird psychological systems to take place. I believe guys who are larger automatically have more confidence, even if the rest of them is not really on par. A dude that is good looking, fit, and financially well off with a larger penis will be able to "play" an incredible amount of women, that all want to turn him into a husband. Unfortunately, the guy think he can experience different women, using them up and ruining it for the other guys.

Women however play the game a bit different. They work on becoming really hot, and go for the hottest guys they can find, a lot with the intention of a relationship. So the dudes who have it all come in and play, and this cycle keeps on going until the woman is in her 30's and still doesn't have a man. At this point, she wants what she should have been working on in her 20's. A lot of "party" girls don't even think like that. They are more in tune with their physical needs, and will seek out the hottest guys they can simply for sex. They believe they can "settle" after they've had fun.

You can not put "people" into boxes and that is what you do. Men play, sleep around, hurt the girls, they end up with a lot of partners, that hurts you, as you don't want them... You suggest that all women play and then when they have finished, they then look to settle, that they get all dressed up looking for hot guys and love the game. Yet, you know full well "some" men, play yes.. And, don't care for the woman but will string her along just to get what he wants. She gets heartbroken doesn't give up and tries again, eventually, she learns to steer clear of the "players" nutting it all out and by then she is wiser and obviously older. Or, some women in-deed just want to have fun, not ready for marriage or are career orientated women who are not ready for marriage they are married, to their job but they still have needs, to be loved and sex is bonding, it's emotional it's a feeling that most people enjoy. Sometimes she takes the wrong courses, paths. Other times she doesn't it's her choice. But, being judgemental over women and how many partners they have had will make you a lonely old man, you have to get this out of your head.

So basically I feel like neither of them had real interest sexually in me, it was simply more about what I was worth.

So what made you pick either of these girls? The only two girls you have slept with? You have stipulated that they were only interested in what money you would spend on them, superficial. Consequently, you did not have two ladies that went out with you for you, the inner you and consequently, you can not even begin to judge what they thought of your member because they were never interested in your member and so this brings you to the internet to clarify because you have no clarification because there has never ever been a girl that you have been with sexually that fell for you, the inner person and consequently experienced you making love to them and them to you to make any management decision...

See how airy fairy this is?

As such you have no proof of how any woman finds you in bed. None.

Yet, I suspect if you allowed yourself not to judge women regarding her sleeping partners and went out with a woman who wanted you, not any monetary gain and had the opportunity to get to know you, inside and out, and slept with you, falling in love, you would find that she would love your member it's not an issue and probably be totally shocked that you thought that there was. Providing you know how to love and I suspect that's another issue you have trouble with... To allow yourself to love, be loved.. You have already wiped out children, a picket fence, no mortgage, residing at home with parents, you've caged yourself in short in my opinion through fear as well as a tad of hatred for women in general, for in your opinion, they are tarts for the most part.

How do you jump that to find love? I don't honestly know unless you are willing to realise that people are all different in this world.

[Obelisk]

You have already wiped out children, a picket fence, no mortgage, residing at home with parents

The only thing I definitely never wanted was children. It came primarily out of my hate for life in general. If I had a different life maybe I would have thought different? I don't know.
The other stuff simply happened because no woman was willing to accept me without me putting all my financial capability into building some future that I didn't need. Unfortunately I do need a woman, but I can't give her what she wants.

you've caged yourself in short in my opinion through fear as well as a tad of hatred for women in general, for in your opinion, they are tarts for the most part.

I don't hate women. My feeling really are mixed. I am sore that so many of them have chosen the path of sleeping with multiple guys, sometimes on purpose for the fun of it. I don't blame them for it though. I know guys are pushy, and will push for sex ferociously, so the woman feels she has to give it up for the guy to like her. In my case, I got looked over because I stood my ground of not wanting kids. I'm still fighting that battle. If I had wanted kids, I'd probably have married the first girl I dated, and since we were both virgins at the time, she's probably never would have had an issue with my size.

All water under the bridge now. I'm not here for sympathy, or to try to get my life together or anything. Even if there were some magical woman who was waiting specifically for me, as soon as she finds out I'm sterile, it's another case of being passed over. So I can either just take the path of sleeping with women for fun (which I don't want to do) or just accepting that I probably will never find one for me. It really is not a big deal anymore. I still want to be able to provide a better sexual experience if I bump into the "sex for fun" women once in a while, so I'll keep on working on myself to look better physically anyway I can.

[jns]

I know guys are pushy, and will push for sex ferociously, so the woman feels she has to give it up for the guy to like her.

I've had a girl cry when I didn't get to sex fast enough. Where does that fit into your understanding of relationships between men and women? Women can want sex, too.

[Obelisk]

I guess I have zero, which makes it even more frustrating.

[CHANDLERS WISH]

Obelisk.

I can not tell you how many times I have heard, I will never get married, no one wants me bebcauseBecause I am too short, teeth aren’t good, un-attractive the list goes on.

I’ve watched them all get engaged, married over the past 8 years.

Maybe for you, it’s time that is all but you will find her. They all do. We all do.

[muffin70]

The other stuff simply happened because no woman was willing to accept me without me putting all my financial capability into building some future that I didn't need. Unfortunately I do need a woman, but I can't give her what she wants.

Well if you want to have a good sexual relationsjip with a woman sometimes you have to open yourself up more and put more into a relationship..... sounds to me that you want to have a good sexual relationship with women, but don't want any sort of commitment - like a come and go when you please relationship.

unlike men, woman want that commitment from a man, they want to have a future with the right man (regardless of penis size) - a lot of men just want good regular sex... and there is a lot more to a relationship that having sex.

when I met my wife I was talking to a friend of mine. I'd been on about 4-5 dates with my then girlfriend. My friend asked what she was like in bed and was horrified when I said I hadn't slept with her. I remember exactly what he said to me "Well, if you haven't slept with someone after the 3rd date, then why bother hanging around"?
My friend is still single to this day - because he values sex OVER having a good relationship... oh BTW my friend is very well hung too!

[Obelisk]

Maybe for you, it’s time that is all but you will find her. They all do. We all do.

I've been hearing this since I was 16. Even back then I never really believed it. I don't subscribe to those feel good anecdotes that people like to give out. But I know you mean well.

Well if you want to have a good sexual relationsjip with a woman sometimes you have to open yourself up more and put more into a relationship..... sounds to me that you want to have a good sexual relationship with women, but don't want any sort of commitment - like a come and go when you please relationship.

I've been thinking a bit to try to put into words my feelings, so here goes:

No, I don't want "just" a sexual relationship. I really do want a woman to bond with emotionally. But I have 2 things working against me

1. I truly, honestly, seriously don't believe we should be bringing children into this world. If I could have chosen to never be born, I'd pick that option without any hesitation. My life hasn't been that bad, but it's been lonely. Why would I want to pass on my inferior genes to some kid so he can be predisposed to be overweight, or short, or average looking, things that in my youth I was constantly harassed over. It affected me that much. So I went to school to be called a fatty and get beat up, only to come home to watch my parents fight all night. Yeah, some life. When I discovered the gym in my early 20's, that became my second home. Everyone noticed the changes, and I became "cool", but my mind was already scrambled.

2. I really wanted to find a woman that understood these things, and we could be there for each other emotionally and physically. I could never find girls that liked me when I was overweight. I could find tons that were interested in me when I started getting fit. I stood my ground on the kids issue, dated a few, got shot down every single time. I lost count of the opportunities where I could have just gotten layed, but silly me, I actually believed in saving myself for that special girl (I'm actually chuckling to myself thinking how stupid I was lol). Suddenly the 30's hit, I realized I hadn't found anyone, and the women I was meeting had no issues claiming that they've been around the block. I guess it's then when I became self conscious whether my size was adequate. Everything online says no. Most women say yes. Is it a conditioned response? I don't know.

I try to think of it in breast size, since that's probably the female equivalent to the issue. Do I care about breast size? On a primal level yes I do. It's probably about 10% of what I care about. If a girl has other great qualities, if she happens to be busty, it's like that cherry on top of the sundae I guess. If she's not busty, I really don't miss it that much (I know this from personal experience).

First gf was busty. Second gf is not. I wasn't ready for what happened. I found myself to miss the larger sized breasts, at least the first couple of times. The irony is that the first girl hated to be touched there, and the second girl wanted me to squeeze them all the time (lol silly life). I feel awful for feeling like that, because it's not her fault she's not busty, it's freakin' genetics. Some hit the lottery, and others get a broomstick up the rear end.

I don't want a woman to feel sorry for me like that. Can you guys understand now where I'm coming from? I've tried to be clear and honest in the way I feel.

[Stillness]

I understand where you're coming from.

[muffin70]

I can see where you're coming from... I was bullied at school, I was overweight and got teased as a result, but I had music and would always fall back on that...

I think your problem is that you have such a low opinion of yourself, you are naturally assuming that women will not like you..... instead on focussing on the negatives, focus on the positives - I assume from your posts that you are pretty fit and healthy.... a lot of women like that, and believe it or not there are some women out there who have no interest in having kids... If you do meet a woman I would suggest you don't introduce yourself "Hi I'm xxxxxxx - I do not want to have kids ever....."

as I've mentioned, I am undersize in the penis dept and my wife has admitted that her previous BF's had bigger penises and apparently her last BF was a good lover, but not good at anything else (being romantic, caring, doing household chores...etc...). I guess I am lucky as she has large breasts and I get to play with them if I am lucky LOL!

but as soon as you begin to accept yourself for who you are, then the sooner a woman can also