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rcoteyus,

I know a woman who calls gold diggers married wh0res. Who knows, maybe she's jealous.

I would imagine that there are many gold diggers in every "elite" community of the world. Why people are together is none of my business. However, with that written, I would be suspicious of a woman I were dating were I to find out she was once in a gold digging relationship. I'm not sure that were I to find out that it would be a deal breaker, but it might be. If a woman's in a gold digging relationship, it's none of my business. If I'm dating a woman who used to be a gold digger, it would be my business because it could implicate bad character.

I'm good with a woman who has gotten drunk & had a one-night-stand. Who hasn't done that? I good with a woman who has been in many sexual relationships. There is more than one way to assess the number of men a woman has had sex. Some women might have many relationships before they find the right man. And a few women find the right man on their first trys. I don't know how I'd view a woman who has had sex for money. I probably wouldn't care if happened many years ago. But were I her first relationship after leaving a gold digging relationship, I'd probably be suspicious.

I have wondered how married porn stars can have sex all day long with many men and then go home and have sex with their husbands. How are they able to compartmentalize sex with insignificant actors and meaning expressions of love with their husbands? How do their husbands feel about their wives having sex all day long with many men and then coming home and having sex with them? Would a husband want to kiss his wife knowing that she has given oral sex that day to at least one other man?

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rcoteyus,

I know a woman who calls gold diggers married wh0res. Who knows, maybe she's jealous.

I would imagine that there are many gold diggers in every "elite" community of the world. Why people are together is none of my business. However, with that written, I would be suspicious of a woman I were dating were I to find out she was once in a gold digging relationship. I'm not sure that were I to find out that it would be a deal breaker, but it might be. If a woman's in a gold digging relationship, it's none of my business. If I'm dating a woman who used to be a gold digger, it would be my business because it could implicate bad character.

I'm good with a woman who has gotten drunk & had a one-night-stand. Who hasn't done that? I good with a woman who has been in many sexual relationships. There is more than one way to assess the number of men a woman has had sex. Some women might have many relationships before they find the right man. And a few women find the right man on their first trys. I don't know how I'd view a woman who has had sex for money. I probably wouldn't care if happened many years ago. But were I her first relationship after leaving a gold digging relationship, I'd probably be suspicious.

I have wondered how married porn stars can have sex all day long with many men and then go home and have sex with their husbands. How are they able to compartmentalize sex with insignificant actors and meaning expressions of love with their husbands? How do their husbands feel about their wives having sex all day long with many men and then coming home and having sex with them? Would a husband want to kiss his wife knowing that she has given oral sex that day to at least one other man?

Your post seems to have conflicting information.

You say you are fine with a woman who's had a night stand, who hasn't (I haven't).

You say you are fine with a woman who has had a lot of previous partners (assuming then that you don't care if a woman has had better lovers than you)

Then you wonder how a woman who does porn for a living is able to go home and have sex with her husband, and wouldn't the husband be disgusted that she probably sucked 5 dicks that day before kissing him. Sorry I fail to see the difference. Having previous partners vs simultaneous partners basically equals the same thing to me.

And then what's the difference with a woman who has sex primarily with men that provide her financial gain? I fail to see how that puts you at a disadvantage compared to the other points you've made?

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Obelisk,

There is substantial difference. If a woman is my wife or girlfriend, I want her to have sex with only me.

Reread my post. My points are obvious. How many sexual partners a woman might have had before me is none of my business. However, sex for money implicates bad character. My wife/girlfriend's character is my business.

Keep in mind that women might have many relationships before they find their right men. Sometimes they know within a month or two. Sometimes it might take a year or longer. Once novelty of sex with a new partner wanes, one is usually better at assessing compatibility. Also, a man and woman might be totally compatible for years and then grow apart.

Of the women with whom I have had sex, I was compatible in terms of a relationship with few. I'm sure the same is true for women.

I have no insecurities about my ability to keep a woman very, very happy.

[Guest]

Obelisk,

Try to think in terms of a person's character. A woman having sex in her relationships is a whole lot different than a woman having sex for money. This is obvious.

[Guest]

Freud was indeed at fault, for he proffered as science that which was the product of drug-induced delusions. Had he abstained from drugs, namely cocaine, he might have proffered more lucid theories form which actual knowledge might have followed. It took about a century before his looney theories were vanquished. What's revealing about Freud is that morons were willing to follow him like lemmings falling off the cliff of knowledge. Hence, what Freud taught us is to be very suspicious of Greeks bearing false gifts.

Science is not necessary in terms of sexual stimulation, for it existed long before the Scientific Revolution. However, there is a difference between what stimulates the genders.

While one can suppress emotions, it's another thing entirely to do so, especially where alcohol is involved. Most of us have had sex while drunk that we wouldn't consider while sober. That's why college guys try to get coeds drunk. Men know that alcohol lowers a woman's inhibitions. I've dated women who were ready to go after three glass of wine. While anecdotal, it's far from scientific fact.

Studying interpersonal relationships is social science; hence, while generalities might apply, it's far from scientific fact.

[Stillness]

I think it's possible to suppress these primal physical instincts if you find someone that fulfils you emotionally though, which is what stillness and rcoreyus are trying to explain.

No it's not. I'm saying that your theory is bad. It may explain your experience and others. It does not explain everyone's, including mine.

I've been thinking something about you for a while but keep forgetting to say it and am sort of struggling with how to say it. I'll try this: Let's say a woman wanted a very conservative, old-fashioned, church-going man that would be a chivalrous gentleman and treat her like a lady. Let's say she sought that man out by going to bars and nightclubs, wearing tight-fitting, skimpy clothes, twerking and freak-dancing on the dance floor, getting drunk, and sleeping with a new man every night, hoping he'd be the one.

The kind of man who would be attracted to her might treat her with a certain lack of respect. She might conclude that all men are that way and the "good" man she wants doesn't exist. The kind of female friends she'd attract would likely be like her. Their experiences would be similar, reinforcing her perspective. Is the problem with all men or with the energy she gives off? You can't soar with the eagles if you're running with turkeys.

It's the same with you. You want a good woman who has depth and will love you for you. What is your focus, though, the depth of your character or the size of your genitals? How do you dress? Where do you spend your time? How do you view women, as sisters, mothers, and daughters who have feelings like your own or as numbers that are beneath you or prizes you can win? What is the energy you give off? From what I can tell your goals and outlook are conflicting.

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Reread my post. My points are obvious. How many sexual partners a woman might have had before me is none of my business. However, sex for money implicates bad character. My wife/girlfriend's character is my business.

Because she'll magically forget about that last guy who's penis was longer and thicker than yours and it was just right for her, or she'll forget about that other guy who knew just how to hold her head during love making, or that other guy who was a wizard with his tongue. Yes, I can clearly see your point

Keep in mind that women might have many relationships before they find their right men. Sometimes they know within a month or two. Sometimes it might take a year or longer. Once novelty of sex with a new partner wanes, one is usually better at assessing compatibility. Also, a man and woman might be totally compatible for years and then grow apart.

Sex shouldn't even be in the equation until you know that the person you are seeing has a high probability of being the one for you.

Today it's usually done by the 3rd date, sometimes the 1st date.

I have no insecurities about my ability to keep a woman very, very happy.

So you shouldn't have a problem with a woman sleeping with other guys at the same time as with you. Don't a lot of people have open relationships? There's some thread here even, where the men and women claim to be happy in such. Why is it a problem for you if you are so confident?

Try to think in terms of a person's character. A woman having sex in her relationships is a whole lot different than a woman having sex for money. This is obvious.

I'm not sure the point you're trying to make. Everyone is with someone because they offer them something. Nobody is completely altruistic in their motives here man.

I would argue the best relationship is a symbiotic one, and the bad ones are parasitic biased toward the man or toward the woman.

I don't see how a symbiotic relationship would not be possible with a gold digging girl. If a guy is loaded and can afford it, and the woman is willing to sacrifice her physical happiness with financial happiness then what's the problem?

While one can suppress emotions, it's another thing entirely to do so, especially where alcohol is involved. Most of us have had sex while drunk that we wouldn't consider while sober. That's why college guys try to get coeds drunk. Men know that alcohol lowers a woman's inhibitions. I've dated women who were ready to go after three glass of wine. While anecdotal, it's far from scientific fact.

Having been stupid drunk a total of 2 times in my life, I can tell you, while my inhibitions were lowered a bit, I was still the exact same person. I didn't gain any newfound attraction to women I didn't consider attractive before. It was simply easier to reach out and talk to them. Since this hasn't been much of a problem for me (the rejection washes off you like water off a duck's back) alcohol is not a positive factor for me.

So with that empirical evidence, I would guess that guys getting women drunk to sleep with them is simply giving them an excuse to do what they wanted to anyway but simply didn't when sober due to mental blocks.

Science is not necessary in terms of sexual stimulation, for it existed long before the Scientific Revolution. However, there is a difference between what stimulates the genders.

Read Carl Sagan's book: The Demon Haunted World: Science as a Candle in the Dark

Studying interpersonal relationships is social science; hence, while generalities might apply, it's far from scientific fact.

Physical wise it is a fact. Emotionally, due to the irrational human mind, I would agree with you there.

I've been thinking something about you for a while but keep forgetting to say it and am sort of struggling with how to say it. I'll try this: Let's say a woman wanted a very conservative, old-fashioned, church-going man that would be a chivalrous gentleman and treat her like a lady. Let's say she sought that man out by going to bars and nightclubs, wearing tight-fitting, skimpy clothes, twerking and freak-dancing on the dance floor, getting drunk, and sleeping with a new man every night, hoping he'd be the one.

And this happens quite a bit. You know why? Because that girl who is ultra conservative and modestly dressed that doesn't go to parties and bars is not being asked out by any men she is interested in! She may be asked out by no one, or once in a while asked out by who she seems as extremely boring guys (dudes that are just as conservative as her)

Ask me how I know this?

The kind of man who would be attracted to her might treat her with a certain lack of respect. She might conclude that all men are that way and the "good" man she wants doesn't exist. The kind of female friends she'd attract would likely be like her. Their experiences would be similar, reinforcing her perspective. Is the problem with all men or with the energy she gives off? You can't soar with the eagles if you're running with turkeys.

You say this now due to your age.

Particularly in our 20's we want a hot partner. A few of the first women I went out with were church girls. It was almost a guarantee they were virgins. It was pretty much a guarantee that if you married one it would most likely be for life. I used to go to this church in my teens that I hadn't gone for the longest time. In my mid 20's I had already been working out for a few years.

My family went to visit, and I can remember how many girls that knew me were staring at me. If I wanted kids I could have married one of those 12 years ago. The not wanting kids thing is what killed me. Now there's no hope except sleep with women who've been around the block, or stay celibate.

It's the same with you. You want a good woman who has depth and will love you for you.

Sure, ideally.

What is your focus, though, the depth of your character or the size of your genitals?

I can't really tell you about my character. I think I've managed to not be as bitter as other men who might have gone thru similar.

Because of my character I could have done what every other guy does, push to sleep with the women he dates just because he wants to get layed. I instead kept on placing my position on the table. The girl's interest in me wasn't enough. Apparently I was just a vehicle for the life they wanted, a big house, kids, etc etc.

I don't know if I can blame women for wanting that. Just as much as I can blame men for wanting to get layed, which is zero blame. Both are acting on programmed instincts that can be resisted (due to our ability to reason) but not changed.

As for the size of my genitals as you put it? It's simply adapting to the new reality: Assuming that they have been with bigger guys (even if they haven't) and working to become one of the big guys. And why the hell not? I didn't listen to women telling me "don't get any bigger" muscular wise (yet I get massive stares if I wear a tight shirt, like in my avatar). So why should I listen to "your penis is fine the way it is" when I know bigger than average is more desirable to them?

How do you dress?

Most of the time I dress in business casual stuff due to my work

At home I'll wear track pants and a t-shirt. I rarely wear the tight stuff unless I'm going to a public area like a mall. Sometimes I don't. I've slowly stopped caring about what people think of me, it's a lot of stress to always "look right".

Where do you spend your time?

For the past few years? Work and sleep. I used to go to church. I haven't for a while. Right now I have zero social circle.

How do you view women, as sisters, mothers, and daughters who have feelings like your own or as numbers that are beneath you or prizes you can win?

I definitely don't view them as prizes. I view a lot of them as human beings who have no idea how much they are destroying the capability to love one man since they keep jumping from ship to ship (men to men). And I will not be the fallback guy for those. I rather have nothing.

What is the energy you give off?

I've been very explicit on this board, I admit partly due to the anonymity afforded by this medium.

Man, you guys know stuff about me that even my dad doesn't know. I've chatted with him about this stuff, and he agrees with some and disagrees with other things.

My parents are from another world. My dad married my mom when he was 21 and she was 18. Neither one has ever been with anyone else. There's been fights, threats of divorce, then relative peace eventually. They only know people sleep around in an abstract sense, and they probably see the penis size debate as some weird alien concept they barely understand.

The world I'm in even now is radically different than the one in high school even. Having sex in high school would immediately label a woman as a ****, and a guy, not as a stud, but as a pusher. Now 14 year old kids are having sex and it's normal, part of the "hook up culture".

So yeah, show me were to find these women you are talking about. Heck I'll become a Jehova's Witness if you guys have some traditional women there.

[Stillness]

Heck I'll become a Jehova's Witness if you guys have some traditional women there.

See Psalms 68:11 for the answer, Mr. Bible Knowledge.

Seriously, it's actually a bit of a problem for us in this part of the world because there are more women. We are not just traditional, but are fairly strict about not marrying outside of our faith. So, a lot of them are single and virgins or celibate if they converted later in life. Even if they brake out a little in their teens, their still much less experienced than average. They've embraced singleness, but only out of necessity. Eligible men get snapped up pretty quickly. One of my close, old family friends got married a few years ago and she was a virgin in her late 40's/early 50's.

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[QUOTE=Obelisk;360311]Because she'll magically forget about that last guy who's penis was longer and thicker than yours and it was just right for her, or she'll forget about that other guy who knew just how to hold her head during love making, or that other guy who was a wizard with his tongue. Yes, I can clearly see your point

Obelisk,

Your naivete borders on delusional. You have no clue of what a woman thinks about when she is with a man whom she's in love. You think you do, and form unsupported opinions based upon Ouijacology. In essence, you're a ouijacologist.

I was in an intense, long-term relationship in which we were both deeply in love with each other. She has has sex with maybe 30 men before me. Never once while I was with her did I even remotely think about what she might of done with other men. Our communication was open & honest. We could tell each other anything w/o judgments. She never once compared me with any other man.

You might want to consider counseling and spending more time around women. Above all. put your Ouija board away. It's giving you bad vibes.

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BTW, Carl Sagan was an astronomer. He was far from an expert on anything in our temporal world. In fact, he was more looney than anything. He has great appeal among science FICTION aficionados, but not among academicians & intellectuals.

Do you have fascination for aliens because much of your beliefs are unworldly.