[Baboy]

You're quite right Patti, this is a sex forum. What was I thinking, talking about scenery and such?

All righty then, to weave in a sex connotation, I take it it's called Blue-knob because the guys' knobs turn blue in the high-altitude chill. I trust there is a local remedy for that unfortunate affliction. It has been said that after wars, the population increases because, during the war, the men were scared stiff and the women took advantage of it. Perhaps at Blue-knob Resort the women find some use for those frozen stiff blue truncheons and provide them with a safe, warm harbor. That would be the proper thing to do.

OK, I'll be quiet now and let this thread get back on topic.

[Patti-here]

Yup the local remedy is a 'Snow Bunny'

[jen1447]

Wow, lots to reply to here. Good job ladies and guys.

She would be flattered that a woman would want to sleep with her. I would'nt be with someone that can't graciously accept a compliment. But I do not think she would sleep with a woman. She has been approached by women. She has also been approached by an ex co worker multiple times about having a threesome with us. She has a friend from school that wants to watch the two of us having sex. Whether it is one on one with another girl or with me being involved, she just does not seem interested. I'll revisit this topic with her tomorrow.

She hasn't been approached by me.

What is your motivation to turn women upside down? Why not go for women that already swing that way?

By turn then upside down I actually meant take them on an emotional rollercoaster ride that has them questioning their preconceptions about their sexuality, etc. Not 'turning' them in the conventional sense. So for example, I wouldn't press your GF for fear of having her suddenly wonder about it all and get upset. The concept of identity is actually really sensitive, and switching somebody to the other team can tamper with that significantly.

To answer your actual question, I just go after women I'm hot for, whether they're lesbian, straight or in between. There have been exceptions (and one that still stands as something I kind of regret to this day), but I basically don't go after straight women as some kind of challenge in itself that I might get off on. That would be a little juvenile. (And yes, I was once more juvenile than I am now. )

Look I know jen pretty good by now and take my word for it, yes it's almost impossible for any woman to turn her down

I'm as heterosexual as they come but I have to say there's something about Jen......

Aw, you two are such sweeties. Thank you.

[jen1447]

I would love to be enlightened by her technique. She probably won't be able to be specific with what she does as I am sure she has to feel the woman out first. Maybe I am being idealistic... but my GF called me her soul mate a couple days ago... How could you leave your soul mate behind to sleep with another woman?

It's really hard for me to advocate for my own position when I'm not on my own side lol. Meaning, how do I demonstrate how I'd do something I wouldn't do? I guess to answer totally hypothetically ....it's complicated. (Or it would seem complicated to you, but it's really not. I'm just 'on.') The way it would look to you from afar is that she'd start out with her defenses up (I'm assuming she'd go in with a mindset to resist me), then you'd see her relax bit by bit in her body language, to the point that she'd start giving off markers signalling availability, which I'd only open up further, and before you know it we'd be laughing a giggling together and she'd be getting into me. That would be just the beginning of course if she had her guard up, I'd probably have to back it off and do it over a few times, but by the time we were good and comfy together, well ....

btw I don't do this with drunkeness either. We might have a drink or two but I'd also guarantee it stone sober.

In actuality tho, she'd want to remain loyal to you, and she'd either tell me that straight out or imply it, and I'd let her.

The kissing part is really my only gripe, and it's in no way a deal breaker for me. But if Jen knows something I don't know, or something I could say, then I'd like to hear it. I'd like to be able to kiss her on the lips at any time during sex and not just before I give oral (which happens early on, giving me small windows of opportunity to scam with her).

In my experience this is just a psychological issue. (I assume she doesn't have any flavor issues and is tastey, think you said that before.) She needs to accept herself 100% top to bottom. You may think she does already and that her assertiveness and bedroom dominance means she doesn't have a doubt in the world, but some women just do. Best thing you can do is associate her taste with your love for her, which is expressed in ....? You got it - your kisses. You want every part of her because you love her, you love her by going down on her (among other things), and you show your affection by kissing her with the same mouth you eat her up with. It's elementary. You can't just hammer that home one day tho, you have to condition her slowly. Get her used to her flavor on your lips and then one day it will come to mean 'love' instead of "am I fresh?" and she'll be good with it.

I got her the Iris vibrator and she loves it. She uses it a lot. But she even said one time as we were doing it that "she" (my GF refers to the Iris as "she") just can't compete with "this." By "this" she meant the oral I was giving her. I am only guessing that the vibrator can stimulate her better than I can but she still prefers me because of the romantic connection.

Machines can't compete with humans, even if they can technically out-perform them.

I can tell you one thing about her technique Something,, It's nothing that she has say or do right away.. It's in her eyes, have you noticed her eyes,, very dark and mysterious almost haunting, once they latch onto you, you'll never forget those eyes...

Are you referring to Jen? I would wager it has less to do with the eyes and more to do with presence.

Specifically it's the presence of my eyes.

[Something_Awesome]

She hasn't been approached by me.

Your adamance (is this a word?) in this is has me curious and uncomfortable at the same time.

There have been exceptions (and one that still stands as something I kind of regret to this day)

Spill the beans please Promise we won't judge you.

The way it would look to you from afar is that she'd start out with her defenses up (I'm assuming she'd go in with a mindset to resist me), then you'd see her relax bit by bit in her body language, to the point that she'd start giving off markers signalling availability, which I'd only open up further, and before you know it we'd be laughing a giggling together and she'd be getting into me. That would be just the beginning of course if she had her guard up, I'd probably have to back it off and do it over a few times, but by the time we were good and comfy together, well ....

This isn't about sex to me... This is about you being a mental ninja. She would be defensive. And how would you get her to relax? I don't believe everything I read online, but I feel like I should believe you. How did you discover your ability to do this? I mean you are basically saying that you are destroying some serious mental barriers. Also, are you saying that everyone woman has that little seed in their brain that allows them to enjoy women like they do men, or to enjoy women over men?

Sorry to sound like I want to play 20 questions... but I also feel a little butt-hurt over this...

[jen1447]

Aw, don't feel that way Sweetie. (Don't mean to patronize but calling friends Sweetie usually makes them feel better. ) I will answer your questions!

Your adamance (is this a word?) in this is has me curious and uncomfortable at the same time.

It's hard for me to not sound egotistical so I'll just stop trying not to for the moment lol ....I am a superhero when it comes to this stuff. Not every bi girl out there is. I could 'get' her (technically) if I wanted to, but like I said I wouldn't do that, and probably most responsible bi women who could wouldn't either. We're not all actually homewreckers and stuff like that. Big sexual appetite at times, yes. Immoral, no. (Not always anyway.) Between that and others being unable to sway her you really have nothing to worry about.

Spill the beans please Promise we won't judge you.

When I was quite a bit younger (early-mid 20s) I had gotten my 'money' reputation with friends on always getting the women I wanted. There was a straight woman I had my eye on for quite a while but I never went for her because she was straight and in a happy relationship. So they eventually got the point of challenging me on it, so I did. I got her, and afterword she ended up breaking up with her BF and before long taking up with a woman. She's still with her today. I guess in a way I did her a favor because it seems like she was truly a lesbian, but I always feel like I really screwed her BF over anyway. I wouldn't do that today. (Also it seems clear your GF is not a lesbian either, so no this won't happen to you!)

This isn't about sex to me... This is about you being a mental ninja.

Well it is about sex hon, I'm pretty appealing (ego, sorry), so that plays a major role.

She would be defensive. And how would you get her to relax?

You really shouldn't trouble yourself hon, but I'd just do what I do. I don't have a playbook or anything. I have a very calming effect on people.

I don't believe everything I read online, but I feel like I should believe you. How did you discover your ability to do this? I mean you are basically saying that you are destroying some serious mental barriers.

It was just always there, discovered by necessity thru application. I was after women and found that I was good at getting them.

Also, are you saying that everyone woman has that little seed in their brain that allows them to enjoy women like they do men, or to enjoy women over men?

I believe they do, yeah.

Don't be butthurt, you're perfectly fine. You do everything right for her. She won't go wandering off. Remember, trust her and she'll come thru for you.

[Patti-here]

Ain't nothing egotistical about you,just self assuredness

[ms_lorr]

Machines can't compete with humans, even if they can technically out-perform them.

And toys or playing cant replace a real man Sorry, I need something live and throbbing inside me or it would be no different to a bit of diy relief

[Stillness]

I also feel a little butt-hurt over this...

Don't let people mess with your mind, Bro. If anything the numbers say that there are more men who have engaged in homosexual behavior than women. That doesn't mean that you specifically would like to try some penis. But, there's probably some delusional dude out there that thinks he could steal you from your lady...or would say it to her to throw her off.

Some people get a kick out of getting into people's heads or making them uncertain about what they're doing, especially if you have something they don't. If you stick with your woman long enough, you'll run into plenty of them - male and female. It's a human thing. As men we tend not to expect it coming from women. It does. Don't let them throw you off your game.

There are strong-willed, principled people who won't be bought or seduced away from what they love and believe in. Don't doubt it.

[effy2014]

This is a very interesting thread ... mostly because it has become focused on whether Jenn can "turn" Something_Awesome's partner for a fling. I don't think that Jenn is any kind of Wizard or Ninja ... what person (man or woman, straight or bi) wouldn't want to be pursued by a beautiful, smart, confident and passionate woman? Societal stereotypes also work to her advantage. There is little risk to a woman having a fling with another woman. In my peer group, I would estimate that zero to 10% of men wouldn't date a woman who has been with another woman while 80-90% of the women I know would never date a man who has been with a man. I will bet the same high percentage of men wouldn't even consider their partner's sexual fling with another woman "cheating".

My question, and I don't want to make this about Jenn at all, involves the risk of emotional attachment. The same qualities that make Jenn and other woman like her so attractive to everyone, make her an ideal long term partner. Who wouldn't want a lifetime of hot sex and brilliant conversation? Wouldn't it be easy for a woman to fall in love with her? At the risk of further stereotyping people, it has been my experience that woman form emotional attachments at an earlier stage than men. Once the the pursuit has been put in motion, how do you contain the situation?

During her marriage, my SO became very attracted to her female kick boxing instructor -- only her shyness kept her from pursuing it more actively. When we talked about it, I said that I wouldn't have minded the fling, but any emotional attachment (be it with another man or woman) could doom the relationship.