[Obelisk]

I know I probably sound like Suzy Sunshine living in a fairytale world. It`s not a fairytale, just a pound of hard work and a dash of luck.

My husband was my first serious boyfriend. Sex wasn`t even on my radar screen when we first met. We were both 17 being set up by another couple (my girlfriend and his buddy) as nothing more than dates for our respective proms. We were a bit of a cliche ...Catholic school girl, public school guy.

The night we met I found many things attractive about him. Surprise, the superficial were at the bottom of the list. Sense of humor and intelligence, were at the top. Long story short, we connected on a deep level. So deep in fact that my girlfriend commented that by the end of the evening we seemed like an established couple rather than two strangers that had met only hours earlier.

This isn`t to say I hadn`t had crushes on guys for more superficial reasons good looks, popularity, etc. I could`ve chosen the easy road of being the stereotypical superficial female and ended up having a series of relationships that led nowhere. I took the high road and ended up building a relationship that has survived its share of storms over the years.

Cool. I'm really glad you had a chance to experience this. I wonder what it's like.

[muffin70]

I agree with what some other people have said on here
What a woman wants is a caring man who treats them with respect, is honest and open with them, helps them around the house…etc…
If you ask my wife – all these are much more important that having a large penis
I am relatively small in the penis department and sometimes it bothers me, but my wife is not worried at all.
I am nice to my wife and treat her right – make her feel special and she will return the favour with interest :-)

[jns]

The ever popular penis size discussion has another thread that is getting a lot of interest by looking at the number of posts.

[BambooEarrings]

Ok to all the women who post similar to the above post.

Are men who are confident and generally good guys really that hard to find? I don't know any men personally that don't match these descriptions.



These things are things that any man could have. Are you women really having a hard time finding men of this quality? And if so, then the question becomes, why?

I have all these things, yet my first gf treated me like an atm machine, and second gf likes me only because she's extremely insecure and thinks she can't get better. So yeah I'm really confused about all this crap. I know the stuff above I could do standing on my head.

I worry about the stuff I can't easily achieve, like my physical fitness, and yes, my penis size.

And girth is something I plan to work on, but I'm apparently on the high end of average for that, so I'm not as worried about it. (I still plan to work on it though, just have to figure out the safest routine to do so)

Ok, so you think there are sooo many great men out there, but then right after that you talk about all the pathetic women you've been with?

It sounds like the problem is that you have had a hard time finding women of the quality that would care about more than your penis or your wallet. Why try to change yourself in order to just get a superficial women who only cares about numbers? Wouldn't you be better off investing your time into finding higher quality women instead of trying to mess with your body. I don't care if my husbands penis is only 1 inch, if he ever tried to do something to it to change it I would kill him!

I hate to sound so harsh about this, because it sounds to me that you are a really nice guy who has a confidence problem. Just keep in mind that if you focus so much on this superficial thing, don't be surprised if you end up attracting superficial women!

[somerandomguy]

Obviously, I have not read all the threads concerning penis size issues. I just named my thread like that on the assumption that there already exists an abundance of penis-size threads on this forum. Also, Cuckolding is (apparently) a very real life style, and not something only found in porn. As I understand it, cuckolding is all about the woman’s (sexual) pleasure (as well as the husband’s own satisfaction derived from his wife’s pleasure). If that is the case, and the wife in a cuckold relationship is only capable of attaining sexual satisfaction in the arms of a more well-endowed man (in comparison with her husband), then why bother marrying her husband in the first place? Did she not know that he had a, for her, small penis before they got married? If the size of her husband’s penis is so crucial when it comes to her reaching orgasms then why not move on to another guy who sports bigger equipment and who is able to satisfy her emotional needs as well (before getting married)? Why end up in a three-person relationship? It is similar to having one phone for placing calls and a second phone for writing messages because you find the user interface of the second phone better.

I am just trying to figure out where women stand on the matter of penis size. And, before you ask, yes, I am insecure (if that was not obvious). I know where the majority of women on this forum stand regarding penis size (penis size does not matter; average is just fine, etc.). Do you think the answer I would get if I posted the same question on a forum that promotes cheating/cuckolding, would be as encouraging as it is here? With that in mind, which of the women are being honest about the worth of a man’s penis based on its size: the ones on those forums or the ones here?

Regarding the debate that penis size to men is what breast size is to women (a source for insecurity and/or shallowness); I tend to disagree to a certain degree. I list some reasons for this below:

Point 1
I have never heard of a discussion, taking place between “the boys” regarding the size of their girlfriends’ breast size, where one of the guys says something along the lines of:

“Last week my girlfriend totally stretched my fingers apart with her breasts. My hands have never felt so full before! Ever! I am giggling just thinking about it!
I could barely use my keyboard properly for two days. Not to mention doing things like using cutlery or wiping my own ***.
It was totally worth it though! I hope she fills me up again and soon!”
****cue joint round of giggling from the rest of “the boys”****

Point 2
I have read several threads where some woman (or man) is complaining (worrying) about her man’s (his) penis being too small and if there is anything she (he) can do about it. And, this “something” always amounts to compensating for the guy’s lack of size by using toys that are only designed for ****her**** pleasure.

“Pleasure her first and then you can grind your pinky-sized penis against her crotch while she is coming down from her huge-dildo-induced high. Be happy that you even get to have sex, you little man you.”

I have never read a thread about a woman worrying about her vagina being too loose and wondering if there is not anything she can do about it to make her man feel better (in regards to sexual pleasure).

Point 3
I have seen several threads where women are seriously asking if they should divorce or even cheat on their husbands because they find his penis to be too small.

I have never seen any thread where a man is asking if he should divorce or cheat on his wife because her breasts are too small (or because her vagina is too loose).

In the cases where men are seriously contemplating cheating on their wives for what is perceived as superficial reasons, he is called an ***hole and left to “suffer” in the relationship. In the woman’s case, she is told to stop being unfair and stringing the man along and instead to find someone who can satisfy all her needs. You get the impression that women have every right to be completely satisfied at all costs as long as they let down their current man easy.

Point 4
I have seen a couple of women in real life sticking with guys who were real ***holes. In one case every one of us around this one girl were seriously wondering if anything less than an intervention would be enough to make her realize that the relationship she was in, was bad for her mental health. We found out later that the main reason she stuck with him was that she was afraid that the next guy would have a smaller penis and thus not be able to satisfy her on the same level (apparently this guy turned into another person whenever they had sex only to make her feel like ******** about herself right after. But, it was “amazing” while it lasted. According to her, she had not felt that full with any of her previous boyfriends.). She came to her senses eventually (after two years of mental abuse) and broke up with him but my point is that I doubt that she would have stuck with him for two whole years, had his penis been small to average in size. She still maintained that sex with him was amazing (and just about the only thing that kept her going) one year after they broke up (more than enough time to get over the “addiction” of their relationship).

Point 5
I read this statement posted by user CHANDLERS WISH:

“[Regarding the size of the penis] we do not care, we want a respectful lover, an attentive lover, a good lover, and we want an exciting lover, adventurous lover in which we therefore will give back tenfold.”

When I read stuff like that, all I see is a list of things guys have to attain in order to compensate for their small to average penis. It is as if either you are a good provider, conversationalist, emotionally accommodating, romantic, attentive, giving (but don’t give too much because then you lose some of your manliness (nobody wants a doormat)) and exciting. ALTERNATIVELY, you have a big penis.

Excepting the extreme cases, even the wives in cuckold relationships claim that they love their husbands and there is no one that they would rather be married to. They claim that he has all of the qualities that makes up a good man (i.e. treats her well, helps around the house, etc.) but they still crave the bigger penis. Is the love these women (claim to) have for their husbands false or hollow if they cannot accept him fully unless every aspect of him is “perfect” (in this case he is “lacking” in the penis area)?

Point 6
It seems as though the average penis size is somewhere around 5 inches while the majority of women, while fine with the 5, would still prefer a 7 seeing as how their vagina is on average 8 inches deep when aroused. One would think that evolution would move the two sexes closer to each other. Instead, men are required to compensate (see Point 5). Like Obelisk said:

“If a woman is hurt by intercourse, it's our fault, we're too big. If she can’t feel it, it's our fault, we're too small. If she is disappointed that we're not as large as their previous men, it's also our fault, even though she was the one with the other guys, not us.”

Point 7
Having large breasts is not as “important” as having a large penis because bottom line is that breasts are mostly visual stimuli for men whereas the penis comprises 50% of the tools used for intercourse (the other 50% being the vagina). Once he sticks his penis into a vagina, a man tends to forget about the breasts. And, no matter if the length of the penis does not matter, the girth does. As though the women claiming that they are fine with a small to average penis still have a man who is above average (it's easy to encourage people when you are not affected yourself). As far as I know, the length and girth are proportional. I have never seen a penis with the length of a pinky and the thickness of a Coke can. No matter if men prefer the equivalent to “long” or “thick” breasts, they are still deemed superficial.

Tell me again how penis size does not matter.

[Stillness]

somerandomguy,

Do you have any personal experience with women that you're drawing this from? Are you married? Do you realize that the majority of married couples do not want a relationship where the woman's affection is shared, so you're not dealing with the average preferences when you hear from that community?

Also, women do worry about looseness. There are threads and posts here about it. Do a search.

I think that a lot of men worrying about this need to deal more with their own experience instead of reading some stuff on the internet and panicking about something that is unlikely to be an issue.

[Lady Syrinx]

[QUOTE=Obelisk;357162]

Cool. I'm really glad you had a chance to experience this. I wonder what it's like.

Thanks. There are good women out there. You may have to kiss a lot of frogs before you find your princess.

The funny corollary to my story is this. Earlier that same year the same friend tried to set me up with another friend of her bf`s and I passed. Now that guy is one of my best friends.

On top of that I was a " band geek" in HS. My husband lived close to my school and would ride his bike in woods between his house and my school. Before we met he`d stopped and watched our band camp occasionally.

Talk about finding eachother by accident!

[rcoreyus]

And you already know that I'm not a fighter pilot (or I would have told you sooner).

If you walk into a room full of people, how do you know which one is the pilot?

He'll tell you.

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What's the difference between a pilot and God?

God doesn't think he's a pilot.


I went hot air ballooning last year and the pilot told me these. I guess pilots have a reputation?

[rcoreyus]

She looks a lot more female that I do.

(surely you aren't expecting an unbiased opinion of how hot my wife is).

What does your wife look like in comparison to yourself?

[Obelisk]

somerandomguy has made some great points.