[CHANDLERS WISH]

Tom Cruise is short and he ended up always with taller women, smart ones too

Some women thrive on penetration alone, others don't. Some women are bad lovers so are some men.

Sexless marriages are usually due to his/her make up, non emotional, non loving, non giving, no help, no communication and the list goes on. At some point the person in front of you doesn't look appealing any more and the desire goes away from that person...

Nothing to do with his penis. Rather everything leading up to it.

Imagine. If a man simply did his deed for himself. Always. Yet, never bought a rose, never laughed, took her out for dinner, helped with chores, just did his deed and lived in the house. Why would a woman want sex with him? But does this mean that she has lost it, no. She then starts fantasizing about other men, for the will and desire to be intimate, loved, on the outside of sex and within sex..

Same goes for man. Whether they act on it or not is a different story. Some just dream. Others walk. Others cheat.

Way beyond the penis itself. There are a lot of selfish lovers in this world. Men and Women. To deprive a person of intimacy, sensuality, lust, and to deprive a person of love, feeling loved "not a chore" or "sex" will always lead to the other person not wanting that person and looking elsewhere in their minds or reality. For a woman, sex is bonding always has been and the dream of falling in love and being in love.

[Obelisk]

Tom Cruise is short and he ended up always with taller women, smart ones too

Some women thrive on penetration alone, others don't. Some women are bad lovers so are some men.

Sexless marriages are usually due to his/her make up, non emotional, non loving, non giving, no help, no communication and the list goes on. At some point the person in front of you doesn't look appealing any more and the desire goes away from that person...

Nothing to do with his penis. Rather everything leading up to it.

Imagine. If a man simply did his deed for himself. Always. Yet, never bought a rose, never laughed, took her out for dinner, helped with chores, just did his deed and lived in the house. Why would a woman want sex with him? But does this mean that she has lost it, no. She then starts fantasizing about other men, for the will and desire to be intimate, loved, on the outside of sex and within sex..

Same goes for man. Whether they act on it or not is a different story. Some just dream. Others walk. Others cheat.

Way beyond the penis itself. There are a lot of selfish lovers in this world. Men and Women. To deprive a person of intimacy, sensuality, lust, and to deprive a person of love, feeling loved "not a chore" or "sex" will always lead to the other person not wanting that person and looking elsewhere in their minds or reality. For a woman, sex is bonding always has been and the dream of falling in love and being in love.

Tom Cruise is a rich famous dude. He could have 2.5" down there and still get supermodels to sleep with him


I don't deny any of what you're saying. I just think it all comes after the initial primal lust stage. If I go and ask a woman out, and she is single and very good looking and fit, she won't be judging me on how good of a man I can be inside. Rather the initial judgement is purely a physical one. Do I look attractive enough to her. If I get a pass on that, then yes personality is the other part of the puzzle.

I don't deny any of this. I just don't think there's any randomness to it. I think it's all mathematical and can be quantified pretty easily by psychological frameworks.

I personally just don't believe a woman that has been with a really large man will ever truly be happy with a smaller guy like me, but there's hope since I'm seeing gains in my member. I know I will never have 9 1/2", but if I can have 7" the difference in size won't be so jarring.

THEN I can truly be confident that I am not the smallest guy a girl has had

[BambooEarrings]

I don't understand the obsession specifically with the length of a penis. Men obsess over this but very very few women do.
Far more important is--
--How men treat us on a daily basis-- being respectful, kind, not talking down to us etc.
--How sexy they are in general-- dressing decently, grooming(but not overgrooming!) not being lazy or a slob etc.
--Confidence is sexy, but not arrogance or conceit

In general, the best men in bed are those who know how to treat a woman right and are not completely selfish. Learning what a woman likes and doing it without her having to ask for it would be better than any size penis nature or science could offer.
Men that want a big penis to feel good about themselves have it all wrong and will probably still be terrible in bed even if they somehow get a bigger size. The key to pleasing women is to make HER feel good about herself... she won't even care or notice if you have a smaller penis.

The worst men I've been with had large penises. Most likely they thought that was all they needed to be good in bed.

If I ever did care about size it would be the width (girth) that I would be more concerned about, and of course how hard it is. Length is the last thing on earth I would ever measure in a man.

[CHANDLERS WISH]

Amen to the above.

[Obelisk]

Ok to all the women who post similar to the above post.

Are men who are confident and generally good guys really that hard to find? I don't know any men personally that don't match these descriptions.

--How men treat us on a daily basis-- being respectful, kind, not talking down to us etc.
--How sexy they are in general-- dressing decently, grooming(but not overgrooming!) not being lazy or a slob etc.
--Confidence is sexy, but not arrogance or conceit

These things are things that any man could have. Are you women really having a hard time finding men of this quality? And if so, then the question becomes, why?

I have all these things, yet my first gf treated me like an atm machine, and second gf likes me only because she's extremely insecure and thinks she can't get better. So yeah I'm really confused about all this crap. I know the stuff above I could do standing on my head.

I worry about the stuff I can't easily achieve, like my physical fitness, and yes, my penis size.

And girth is something I plan to work on, but I'm apparently on the high end of average for that, so I'm not as worried about it. (I still plan to work on it though, just have to figure out the safest routine to do so)

[rcoreyus]

So, my wife may have been with someone bigger. She knows someone smarter, someone wealthier, more physically fit, more attractive. But a person isn't just a set of numbers. She is with me because she loves ME, not some mathematical combination of attributes.

There are bigger breasted women than my wife, taller women, more athletic women, etc. That doesn't mean that I settled. I found someone who makes me happy.



Where would you put me on your ladder? I'm OK looking, going a bit grey - distinguished? old? depends on your point of view. I'm bad at most athletics and at running, but have great stamina for things like hiking and canoeing, but I don't like swimming. I'm fairly smart, but have a poor memory and am not very well read. I'm less wealthy than some of my friends, but fly my own airplane and can travel anywhere in the world basically on a whim (flying commercial). I have a somewhat quirky technical job, but am well enough known in my tiny field to get invites to talk in half a dozen countries. I can't dance or sing to save my soul. I'm kind to my wife, and to cats. I'm disorganized and sloppy, but clean. I don't drink or smoke or party. I'm open to a wide variety of things in bed, and enjoy pleasing her. I'm a spendthrift, but have never had debt problems. I'm from a **bad** family.

So - where am I on the ladder: Would that change if I had a 4" or 9" penis?

You just can't represent people with a single number - or position on some sort of "ladder" they are much too complicated for that.

Yeah we need to be happy and accept that the women we potentially meet have had better guys than us physically, but they "chose" to be with us because we're "nicer". I don't think that's going to work for me anymore. Nice never got me anywhere.

[Obelisk]

So, my wife may have been with someone bigger. She knows someone smarter, someone wealthier, more physically fit, more attractive. But a person isn't just a set of numbers. She is with me because she loves ME, not some mathematical combination of attributes.

There are bigger breasted women than my wife, taller women, more athletic women, etc. That doesn't mean that I settled. I found someone who makes me happy.



Where would you put me on your ladder? I'm OK looking, going a bit grey - distinguished? old? depends on your point of view. I'm bad at most athletics and at running, but have great stamina for things like hiking and canoeing, but I don't like swimming. I'm fairly smart, but have a poor memory and am not very well read. I'm less wealthy than some of my friends, but fly my own airplane and can travel anywhere in the world basically on a whim (flying commercial). I have a somewhat quirky technical job, but am well enough known in my tiny field to get invites to talk in half a dozen countries. I can't dance or sing to save my soul. I'm kind to my wife, and to cats. I'm disorganized and sloppy, but clean. I don't drink or smoke or party. I'm open to a wide variety of things in bed, and enjoy pleasing her. I'm a spendthrift, but have never had debt problems. I'm from a **************** family.

So - where am I on the ladder: Would that change if I had a 4" or 9" penis?

You just can't represent people with a single number - or position on some sort of "ladder" they are much too complicated for that.

What does your wife look like in comparison to yourself?

[Stillness]

fly my own airplane

If you walk into a room full of people, how do you know which one is the pilot?

He'll tell you.

------

What's the difference between a pilot and God?

God doesn't think he's a pilot.


I went hot air ballooning last year and the pilot told me these. I guess pilots have a reputation?

[Lady Syrinx]

Ok to all the women who post similar to the above post.

Are men who are confident and generally good guys really that hard to find? I don't know any men personally that don't match these descriptions.

--How men treat us on a daily basis-- being respectful, kind, not talking down to us etc.
--How sexy they are in general-- dressing decently, grooming(but not overgrooming!) not being lazy or a slob etc.
--Confidence is sexy, but not arrogance or conceit

These things are things that any man could have. Are you women really having a hard time finding men of this quality? And if so, then the question becomes, why?

I have all these things, yet my first gf treated me like an atm machine, and second gf likes me only because she's extremely insecure and thinks she can't get better.

I know I probably sound like Suzy Sunshine living in a fairytale world. It`s not a fairytale, just a pound of hard work and a dash of luck.

My husband was my first serious boyfriend. Sex wasn`t even on my radar screen when we first met. We were both 17 being set up by another couple (my girlfriend and his buddy) as nothing more than dates for our respective proms. We were a bit of a cliche ...Catholic school girl, public school guy.

The night we met I found many things attractive about him. Surprise, the superficial were at the bottom of the list. Sense of humor and intelligence, were at the top. Long story short, we connected on a deep level. So deep in fact that my girlfriend commented that by the end of the evening we seemed like an established couple rather than two strangers that had met only hours earlier.

This isn`t to say I hadn`t had crushes on guys for more superficial reasons good looks, popularity, etc. I could`ve chosen the easy road of being the stereotypical superficial female and ended up having a series of relationships that led nowhere. I took the high road and ended up building a relationship that has survived its share of storms over the years.

[BabyGirl]

Seriously . Seriously .. Another Penis Thread ???
This one has been " Hijacked " by all of us .

some~random~guy has obviously read some of the Longer 13 page threads and started another " Repeat " Discussion.

I would suggest to Some Random Guy ..

To re~read Every Penis " Size " Thread and the Responses.

The Majority is the Women of Woman's Health.
Are Telling you Men's penis Size so very Rarely matters.
An Inch is Not going to make a Difference,neither is 2 inches.

So if you the " Man " think you are Small or not Average and do not want to be Judged or Loved by your Penis Size.

1) Look for a Virgin and Win her Love with all of You . She will Never know you are Smaller than any other Man !! Make sure the Girl is Over 18 .

2 ) Seek Therapy and STD testing if you Sleep around and are told you are Lacking in Size ( by more than 3 women in 3 years ).

3) Use a Video Camera, Jack it or Show it, Post it .. I'm sure it will seem Huge to Many and also make many 1/4 inch smaller than you feel Inferior ( as you do ) . Make sure the People are Over 18 .

4) Hope and " Pray " if Religious,that you get ED as fast as Possible, so Size will Not Matter.. Getting it up Will .

somerandomguy >>>~~~> MEET <~~~<<< Obelisk.

Take the Time to Read His Self Started threads and Posts. He's had allot of Advise and help that may help you also .
You two may wish to Join a Free Online Therapy Group of

" I am not confident in myself because of my Penis Size .
Combined with the I'm not even Average ( under 5 inches ) so I am asking Women if I am really or near Average ( about 6 inches ) and should I be Worried and how can I please the Average Woman,when I feel less than Average myself and every Woman has been with a larger than me Man and they would never want a man my size. ( This excludes Virgins ).
So I must Increase my Size in order to find any Woman that will not expect me to be "Average ".
Which is 5-7 inches. But expects me to be Above Average (7 to 9 inches ).

Where can I get Help and Advise ??

The answer here is WH . You are HERE ..Free Advise ..
Listen,take the Majority answers of Our Men and Woman.
Try it and if We cannot Help you with these answers .Move on to the Ones Who can Help you .

Which is Reading the Threads from 2008 until Now ..
I wonder where those People are ?