[Stillness]

Any one would think by reading all of this I hate men

I don't get that at all. I can tell you love people.

[CHANDLERS WISH]

Too much for my own good sometimes, including animals : )

Not the man kind that turns to one. Oh, well maybe then again : )

[Newtonian]

I think this is an interesting presentation on circumcision:

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[effy2014]

To answer your question CW: From the Circumcision Reference Library---

"Laumann et al. (1997) used data from the National Health and Social Life Survey.2 That survey questioned men who were born from 1932 through 1971. Laumann reported that the overall incidence of circumcision in U.S. born men was 77 percent - ranging from a low of about 31 percent in 1932 to a high of about 85 percent in 1965 and declining to about 77% in the last year of the survey."

Isn't the proof of how you feel about your circumcision whether you would chose to do it with your own son? The US circumcision rates are pretty constant over an 80 year period. As I wrote previously, if men didn't like circumcision, the practice would have ceased.

Womens Health Magazine reported this survey in the February 24, 2014 issue:

"Who's afraid of a little extra skin? Maybe more women than you think. Over 54 percent of women said they prefer a circumcised penis, according to a survey of 1,000 women from AdamandEve.com.


Of the other half, 33 percent of women said they had no preference between cut and uncut (hey, a penis is a penis, right?) and 3 percent preferred an uncircumcised guy. The other 10 percent of women refused to answer. "

[CHANDLERS WISH]

I think this is an interesting presentation on circumcision:

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All the references to any statements made are available via the links in the box below the video.

Hey Newtonian.

We don't allow links here unfortunately, unless it's a direct link from this site or private photos "appropriate".

[CHANDLERS WISH]

To answer your question CW: From the Circumcision Reference Library---

"Laumann et al. (1997) used data from the National Health and Social Life Survey.2 That survey questioned men who were born from 1932 through 1971. Laumann reported that the overall incidence of circumcision in U.S. born men was 77 percent - ranging from a low of about 31 percent in 1932 to a high of about 85 percent in 1965 and declining to about 77% in the last year of the survey."

Isn't the proof of how you feel about your circumcision whether you would chose to do it with your own son? The US circumcision rates are pretty constant over an 80 year period. As I wrote previously, if men didn't like circumcision, the practice would have ceased.

Womens Health Magazine reported this survey in the February 24, 2014 issue:

"Who's afraid of a little extra skin? Maybe more women than you think. Over 54 percent of women said they prefer a circumcised penis, according to a survey of 1,000 women from AdamandEve.com.


Of the other half, 33 percent of women said they had no preference between cut and uncut (hey, a penis is a penis, right?) and 3 percent preferred an uncircumcised guy. The other 10 percent of women refused to answer. "

Hey Effy, I've not stated that you shouldn't or he should honestly. I'm curious only on non science as in how the guy feels that was circumcised whether or not he was happy that his parents chose that for him when he was an infant. And curious as to whether it's because his parents did and those before him.

Interesting though in the 30's it was a 3rd. In my era it jumped up dramatically and a bit further down the road started to fall backwards a little.

You may find this interesting from Wik.

The origins of male circumcision is not known with certainty. It has been variously proposed that it began as a religious sacrifice, as a rite of passage marking a boy's entrance into adulthood, as a form of sympathetic magic to ensure virility or fertility, as a means of enhancing sexual pleasure, as an aid to hygiene where regular bathing was impractical, as a means of marking those of higher social status, as a means of humiliating enemies and slaves by symbolic castration, as a means of differentiating a circumcising group from their non-circumcising neighbors, as a means of discouraging masturbation or other socially proscribed sexual behaviors, as a means of removing "excess" pleasure, as a means of increasing a man's attractiveness to women, as a demonstration of one's ability to endure pain, or as a male counterpart to menstruation or the breaking of the hymen, or to copy the rare natural occurrence of a missing foreskin of an important leader, and as a display of disgust of the smegma produced by the foreskin. It has been suggested that the custom of circumcision gave advantages to tribes that practiced it and thus led to its spread.[5][6][7]

[CHANDLERS WISH]

There are some very good points as to why to do it. But, it seems that the main common factor of doing it to start with at least from the late 1800's was to decrease boys masturbating.

That is Insanity!!

You've got to smile ok.

In the 1890s, it became a popular technique to prevent, or cure, masturbatory insanity. In 1891 the president of the Royal College of Surgeons of England published On Circumcision as Preventive of Masturbation, and two years later another British doctor wrote Circumcision: Its Advantages and How to Perform It, which listed the reasons for removing the "vestigial" prepuce. Evidently the foreskin could cause "nocturnal incontinence," hysteria, epilepsy, and irritation that might "give rise to erotic stimulation and, consequently, masturbation." Another physician, P.C. Remondino, added that "circumcision is like a substantial and well-secured life annuity ... it insures better health, greater capacity for labor, longer life, less nervousness, sickness, loss of time, and less doctor bills." No wonder it became a popular remedy.[50]

[effy2014]

Hey Effy, I've not stated that you shouldn't or he should honestly. I'm curious only on non science as in how the guy feels that was circumcised whether or not he was happy that his parents chose that for him when he was an infant. And curious as to whether it's because his parents did and those before him.

Why would you believe that a man who was unhappy with his father's choice (and therefore regrets being circumcised) would make the same choice for his son? Are we men so unthinking or unintelligent that we would reject our own feelings because our fathers did it to us so we can make our sons feel as badly as I did? Why would "non scientific" data be more reliable than the choices real people make over and over again?

I suppose that when other people's decisions run counter to our own passions, we have to find excuses for their behavior. The circumcised boy must regret it so you shouldn't have agreed to the procedure (no data to support this). People are sheep and circumcise their sons because Daddy was circumcised (because, of course, we are basically idiots). Alternatively, lambaste me for exposing my children to great harm (an incredible overstatement at best) or being barbaric (an opinion, not a fact). One can also criticize the religious basis because religious people must also be unthinking in this world of science.

If I asked how many uncircumcised boys in the US wished they were circumcised, I would be criticized for not accepting the differences. That is a far more likely scenario if, as the study in WH magazine suggests, a majority of women in the US prefer circumcised men. Regardless, their parents were given the choice and made it.

I just don't understand the lack of acceptance that there is a different point of view that is JUST AS VALID especially when, statistically, this viewpoint is shared by an overwhelming majority of American men. I am glad that I am circumcised. I am glad that my father made that choice for me. I am not a sheep, I am an educated intelligent man. I didn't make the choice for my son because I was concerned about how many times he would masterbate. There is ample medical support for my decision, even if the anti-circumcision groups claim bias for every statistical analysis. There is nothing more I can say.

[CHANDLERS WISH]

Why would you believe that a man who was unhappy with his father's choice (and therefore regrets being circumcised) would make the same choice for his son?

Stillness has previously stated exactly that. His Father regretted it but did it to his Son. So why is that?

Why would "non scientific" data be more reliable than the choices real people make over and over again?

Why wouldn't it be? It's real and factual over feelings and emotions..

Effy again, I see the benefits. I see the reasons in the 1800's why they claim to have done it and I see the reasons why anyone does it and why they don't.

So there is no argument on my behalf.

I would like to know from guys that have.

How has it affected you in life..

If there were more men here I'd start that thread.

Nothing wrong with thinking on a personal level instead of scientific.

[Stillness]

My dad got circumcised for spiritual reasons. They're not valid for Christians. Circumcision for spiritual reasons is forbidden. Once my dad realized that, he regretted it. That is what he told me.

I don't know why he circumcisied me. It may be that he didn't realize it until after I came along. He actually named me after a high priest because I was his and my mother's firstborn and as such dedicated to Jehovah. It's all very Jewish, so he may not have been clear on Christian law on all of this.

I'm not extremely eager to start talking with him about our penises, so the world may never know. But maybe I'll try to work it in during our next visit...