[Hopeless Dork]

I am simply stating that women have to make consessions to their sexual desires that men don't. "Men are visual creatures" yeah, yeah, we know you guys say it all the time. Since you are visual creatures... if you want a little extra on the side of your s.o. you can do it and its fine -- its just looking!! So you can get your visual needs met outside of your sex with your gf and no harm no foul... hey it may hurt her feelings sometimes but so what its not cheating!!

But you don't need or desire the interaction... all you need is the visual and you get what you want. For many women... visual stimulation is an extra that isn't as necessary as feeling passion, feeling wanted and interaction. So if a woman wants to get a little of her needs met on the side.. unless her needs are like YOURS... 'visual'... its cheating, and crushing ... even if she doesn't touch the other person, like you aren't touching the girl you are j/o to.

What I am saying is men and women have different masturbation needs, some like the books, guys don't mind that... some like the dildo's , some guys don't mind that/some do... and some girls get off on interaction -- why do you think there is never a shortage of paid and NON paid naked ladies on the internet... just browse myspace and see girls itching to show off... girls tend to enjoy being sexy to someone. And there is no shortage of men that enjoy watching a woman be sexy (most of which already have a sexy woman,,,, but it takes too long to masturbate to her so they need 'fresh meat'.

If you achieve orgasm quicker looking at another woman than your own... wouldn't you have to say its because she is different than your s.o? So then it would be a case of variety... and the desire for variety... which means that being faithful to one person is physically possible for you, but not emotionally.

Guys can say they don't have emotional ties to the image they are masturbating to... so what? Its not like we sit there and think you are writing love poems to your modem... we tend to get hurt over the SEXUAL connection you have to the picture, which no doubt exsists if you are having an orgasm to it.

I don't think its wrong for your wife to go out and dress up and get compliments from men... and I would not think anything wrong with you going out and noticing attractive women.. there is a difference between noticing and being noticed to dropping trousers and wanking it to what you notice is attractive. If some guy found her attractive... no biggie... if that guy pulled out his erection and started jacking off and she stood around posing for him... that would be crossing a line. You noticing a hot woman on your computer is a lot different from breaking out the lube to it... it just is.

[Texinator]

Me masturbating is the same as you showing your body to someone you can interact with? How?

In the sense that there doesn't have to be any kind of emotional connection or expectation of physical interaction.

Would it be the end of the world if a male friend of your wife saw her naked? Probably not... It's not the same thing as them having sex together or running off to have an affair.

Of course it depends on the couple. If he expects that even the sight of her body belongs to him and only him, she can also expect that his arousal belongs to her and only her, and the other way around.

[Hopeless Dork]

If he expects that even the sight of her body belongs to him and only him, she can also expect that his arousal belongs to her and only her, and the other way around.

Nail on head there.. you wrapped up my sentiment in one clear sentence. While a guy may have no control over what sparks his willy... he does have the option not to take it further and come to it. If my body is only for my mans orgasm why isn't it fair that his orgasms are only for me?

[stressed]

If he expects that even the sight of her body belongs to him and only him, she can also expect that his arousal belongs to her and only her, and the other way around.

Well said.

[Casey715]

Tex you stay out of this, I don't need your help. lol j/k your killing me here. It feels like its all against me. I'm not shallow, I see your point. Each one is true. And please don't think I am mad or just trying to make you mad. Indulge me here.
One has to be worse than the others. You cannot say they are the same. If you feel they are, then denote it. but for arguments sake, pick only one. Would you rather your man have sexual interaction with a woman, or mindlessly jack off to some stranger on the computer?
When put in those terms, do you see how it is different.
HD you say;
Guys can say they don't have emotional ties to the image they are masturbating to... so what? Its not like we sit there and think you are writing love poems to your modem... we tend to get hurt over the SEXUAL connection you have to the picture, which no doubt exsists if you are having an orgasm to it.

My reply; I do not reciprocate with an inanimate object. So how can I have a Sexual connection with a picture.

[stressed]

Would you rather have your wife have sex with another man, or that she'd send naked photos of her to a random guy she will never meet or even talk to again?
What about those terms

[Casey715]

I would go to the post office and personally mail the pictures to any random person she will never meet or talk to.

[stressed]

But she wouldn't want to involve you, she would just want some selfish, private "ME" time. You getting in the way would ruin 1/2 the pleasure.

[Casey715]

Nail on head there.. you wrapped up my sentiment in one clear sentence. While a guy may have no control over what sparks his willy... he does have the option not to take it further and come to it. If my body is only for my mans orgasm why isn't it fair that his orgasms are only for me?

So you don't orgasm on your own time? If you solo masturbate, how is it for your SO?

[Casey715]

stressed
Fine. I was just saying it would not bother me.